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To: Captain Kirk
Not only the Czechs, but as I recall other intel agencies accepted it. The U.S. government didn't "reject" the story, but rather said they could not independently confirm it.

"Fairy tale?" What are you smokin? There were hundreds of reports of al-Qaeda in Iraq, including many of the guys who actually ESCORTED them around Iraq. Course, can't believe them. They're Iraqis. The intel links that there were al-Qaeda (not just terrorists, which NO ONE denies, except maybe a kook like Ron Paul), are so numerous they couldn't be posted on a page. Stephen Hayes has documented these beyond debate.

The problem with those who disparage a "Wilsonian Crusade" is that they fear it may actually work.

75 posted on 03/11/2008 8:00:23 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: LS

—The problem with those who disparage a “Wilsonian Crusade” is that they fear it may actually work.—

Those who disparage “Wilsonian Crusades” do so because they drag nations into expensive messes from which they have a hard time extricating themselves. They also have a lousy success rate. The first Wilsonian Crusade made the world safe for Nazism and—later—Stalinism. Talk about blowback on steroids.


83 posted on 03/11/2008 8:26:04 AM PDT by paleorite ("Oy vey, Skippa-San" The immortal words of Fuji, formerly America's favorite POW.)
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To: LS
"Fairy tale?" What are you smokin? There were hundreds of reports of al-Qaeda in Iraq, including many of the guys who actually ESCORTED them around Iraq. Course, can't believe them. They're Iraqis. The intel links that there were al-Qaeda (not just terrorists, which NO ONE denies, except maybe a kook like Ron Paul), are so numerous they couldn't be posted on a page. Stephen Hayes has documented these beyond debate.

Smoking? You need to come up with new catch phrase. I remember that you were using it back in 2006 when I EXACTLY predicted the results of the 2006 elections and won a bet here of several hundred dollars. Not bad for someone who supported a kook, eh? How'd you do in predicting that election by the way?

To the extent that there were Al Qaeda in Iraq before Saddam fell, they were in the Kurdish areas. Bush showed absolutely no interest in getting them even though Kurdistan was our defacto ally at the time. Al Qaeda didn't enter the picture in the rest of Iraq until after the U.S. invasion. Even then, Al Qaeda never represented more than a small fraction of the insurgency.

Most of the peoplle killing Americans then were the folks who are now in the Awakening Councils. Interestingly, the Awakening Councils members could have been bribed much earlier to turn their guns on Al Qaeda (who they already beginning to fight) but Rumsfeld showed no interest in giving them the cash. Of course, the folks in the Awakening Councils still hate Americans as much as ever and are rapidly expanding their powr as local kingmakers in the Sunni areas. Ain't no way that Maliki is going to integrate them in the iraqi army.

168 posted on 03/11/2008 4:04:39 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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