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`Redneck Shop' creates dispute in S.C.
Yahoo/AP ^ | 3/10/08 | KATRINA A. GOGGINS

Posted on 03/10/2008 2:21:05 PM PDT by kiriath_jearim

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1 posted on 03/10/2008 2:21:06 PM PDT by kiriath_jearim
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I wouldn’t mind seeing some of Laurens’ own rednecks run John Howard out of town on a rail.

That’s an interesting legal issue, though. If you come into ownership of a piece of property, and there’s a covenant on that property that says the current renter (I guess he rents?) can still run his business there, is it still valid?

}:-)4


2 posted on 03/10/2008 2:25:29 PM PDT by Moose4 (Hey GOP...don't move toward the middle. Move the middle toward us.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

I hate you for hating me. In fact I hate you so much that I’m going to see if I can force you to stop hating me. Sounds that way to me but then maybe I don’t know the hate business like the pros.


3 posted on 03/10/2008 2:27:29 PM PDT by FreePaul
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To: kiriath_jearim
"A black civil rights activist is fighting to close a store that sells KKK robes..."

LOL!!!! Hey homeboy! FYI: The Democratic Party was/is the party of slavery, jim crow laws, and the KKK! And you SUPPORT the Democratic Party.

4 posted on 03/10/2008 2:28:13 PM PDT by avacado
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Wow... While I don’t agree at all with the KKK or this man making a living off of these things, he’s right — it’s not illegal.

A very ironic story as well with the church owning the building now. That must be incredibly frustrating to the Reverend and his church.

I’m actually amazed that this store even exists. If it were a museum or something it would make sense. I guess there are a lot of things us Yankees have no clue about when it comes to how some areas of the South are still “stuck in the past”. Is racism really that alive and well in that part of the country still? What a shame.


5 posted on 03/10/2008 2:29:03 PM PDT by LibertyRocks ("Islam - The Religion of Pieces" -- quote from LR's "Infidel & Proud" Daughter)
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To: Moose4
I am sure, somewhere in the documentation he signed purchasing the property, that the agreement for the rental until the man dies was in writing and signed by the new owner.

At least, from the article, it sure sounds that way to me.

As long as nothing illegal is done, the reverand has every right to protest and seek his own legal avenues, while the man operating the KKK store has the same right (however distasteful) to operate his business.

For grins he should see if the ACLU will represent him.

6 posted on 03/10/2008 2:33:43 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: LibertyRocks
I’m actually amazed that this store even exists. If it were a museum or something it would make sense. I guess there are a lot of things us Yankees have no clue about when it comes to how some areas of the South are still “stuck in the past”. Is racism really that alive and well in that part of the country still? What a shame.

It's been my personal observation while traveling--I have to travel a lot--that there's at least as much racism outside the South. In fact, my experience is that I'm far more likely to hear the n-word "up north" than I am in MS. Seriously.

MM (in TX)

7 posted on 03/10/2008 2:42:44 PM PDT by MississippiMan
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Sorry sport, but you will find just as much racism in the North as anywhere in the South, they just are less honest about it.

I was in High School in Shreveport, La. when school desegregation happened...we didn't have any violence or riots, South Boston on the other hand was as violent as could be when they were forced to integrate their schools...10 years later.

That Southerners are bigots but Yankees aren't won't wash.
8 posted on 03/10/2008 2:43:34 PM PDT by Sudetenland
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To: kiriath_jearim
What find amazing is that Howard actually does any business. Does he sell any of the hateful stuff he carries or is this a labor of love (hate?) for him?

Anyway, I think the building owner should beef up security. A video cam over the door might be a good start...

9 posted on 03/10/2008 2:45:51 PM PDT by magslinger (cranky right-winger)
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I don't suppose it ever occurred to anyone to BUY this guy out? You know, make him a fair offer for his store? More than fair?

Nooooo. Let's get the court to shut it down! Let's boycott. Vandalize. Intimidate.

Seems like things the Klan would do, if you ask me.

10 posted on 03/10/2008 2:46:18 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: LibertyRocks

There have been times in my life that I have been surrounded by racists of the black and white races. It is more rare to see racism on the parts of whites now, it does exist but on a more limited basis. Most of the people that are racists seem to be less educated and seem to present a victim mentality.


11 posted on 03/10/2008 2:46:37 PM PDT by Billg64 (LOL ROFL Senator Mccain for what????)
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To: kiriath_jearim
But legal documents also indicate that the man who runs the store, 62-year-old John Howard, is entitled to operate his business in the building until he dies. Now the dispute may go to court.

Why is a court necessary? If there is a contract, then the case is closed. Or it should be.

13 posted on 03/10/2008 2:47:26 PM PDT by montag813
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There is an entire sub-culture built around collecting black memorabilia, much of it extremely racist. The chief participants are affluent blacks.
My neighbor Tony, a physician, is one of these affluent black collectors. He has an extensive collection of this material. It is not all racist by any means but it does include such things as vintage Klan publications and posters, racist sheet music and records, novelties like plates and figurines, and the ever-present lawn jockey. The most shocking material is from the early 20th century, when insulting blacks in popular art was apparently something of a long-running fad.

Why does Tony have this stuff? He says the appeal is hard to explain but it is like owning it gives him power over it and power over the past.

Tony is a Republican and delights in collecting racist propaganda from the 19th century and segregation-era Democrats, btw. There is a lot of it.


14 posted on 03/10/2008 2:49:59 PM PDT by atomic conspiracy (Victory in Iraq: Worst defeat for activist media since Goebbels shot himself.)
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seems there is a signed contract with a “life clause”

That was the deal for him to sell the original property. Seems all that is needed is to offer him a revenue buyout. How much can such a weird shop make?

could be the reverand is too cheep to do the buy out. I have seen this with churches AND BUSINESSES that want neighboring property and just want to bully a cheeper sale price.


15 posted on 03/10/2008 2:51:44 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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Is racism really that alive and well in that part of the country still? What a shame.

It is alive and well...its even here on FR sometimes. I don’t have a problem with the Confederate Battle Flag as it relates to the civil war, but I would definitely have a problem with seeing Klucker robes for sale.


16 posted on 03/10/2008 2:52:37 PM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Conservative!!!)
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To: atomic conspiracy

I have started collecting “Jim Crow” and black memorabilia myself. It is relatively easy to find in antique shops around here. I have some tin plates, advertisements, and figurines. It helps to remind me of how far we’ve come and what we have had to endure.


17 posted on 03/10/2008 2:58:50 PM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Conservative!!!)
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My oh my... Yep, alot of “Anti-North” racism still too I guess. I never said that there is no racism “up here”, in fact, there is a lot of racism here in Wisconsin where I live — and it shocked me frankly after living outside of Chicago and in Denver. However, one thing you won’t find is KKK stores! Geesh...


18 posted on 03/10/2008 2:59:25 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (Liberty Rocks Blog has a new home -- http://www.LibertyRocks.us)
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Yep, I’ve seen it here at FR and it’s sickening. I understand about the Confederate Flag — it really has nothing to do with slavery (that’s like saying the whole reason for the Civil War was slavery - which it really wasn’t).

The KKK stuff on the other hand — there is no way to interpret that besides a direct insult, IMHO.

Legal, yes... Moral — not quite.


19 posted on 03/10/2008 3:03:00 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (Liberty Rocks Blog has a new home -- http://www.LibertyRocks.us)
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However, one thing you won’t find is KKK stores!

Not out in the open, anyway.

In the wake of the Civil Rights Movement, the Klan took on new life nationwide, including Wisconsin. New chapters were formed and demonstrations held throughout the country, and according to the Southern Poverty Law Center's "Intelligence Project," three Wisconsin chapters existed as late as 2004.

20 posted on 03/10/2008 3:03:12 PM PDT by cowboyway ("No damn man kills me and lives." -- Nathan Bedford Forrest)
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