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To: Ravnagora

One problem with all this: Kosovo has been a de facto independent state for several years now. The U.S. didn’t create this situation, and all the U.S. and other nations are doing is recognizing the reality on the ground.

Is a new Muslim nation-state in Europe desirable? Perhaps not, but short of war what can we do about it? Muslim Kosovo will exist whether we recognize it or not.


6 posted on 03/09/2008 9:06:00 PM PDT by CivilWarguy (CivilWarGuy)
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To: CivilWarguy

In what sense is Kosovo a “Muslim nation-state”? I have not heard that any part of the constitution is rooted in Shariah. Just because most of the citizens consider themselves Muslims does not mean that the nation is “Muslim.”

In fact, the US did create this situation — the US unleashed war on Serbia, no one else did! And the media acquiesced to Clinton’s “genocide” hype. . . just as it acquiesced meekly to Bush’s “WMD” hype. Which just goes to show that the MSM is neither conservative nor liberal, but simply corporate. All they care about is the bottom line, and if it suffers from attacks by either the left or the right, it caves.

I dislike the subtle sense in this article that Kosovo is just another part of the so-called “clash of civilizations,” in which we should line up with the Christians and against Muslims, as if we are all just parts of big tribes. I reject this thinking.

If the author cared about human rights as a universal thing, in which all people are equal, he would have mentioned the awful state of the Roma (gypsy) Kosovars, who have suffered as much or more than the Serbs. But Roma are not Christian, or not Christian enough, I suppose, so they do not fit into the writer’s tribe.

It was a mistake to attack Serbia, and it is a mistake to set up Kosovo as an independent state. And the reason is not a fear of Muslims (I do not fear them), but rather because I fear the collapse of secular national identity. In this action, the US is legitimizing the idea (seen in places like Israel and Iran and Pakistan and Sri Lanka) that one religion or ethnicity is a higher class of citizen than all others. In the US we see these ideas as well: coming from people who assert the US is a “Christian nation.” Should such a (bad) idea gain currency, suddenly anyone who is not Christian — such as myself — will become a second class citizen. This kind of thing is not good. Believe me, secular national identity, which is part of the liberalism that ended Europe’s religious wars, is going to be something we miss deeply if we throw it overboard.

The US should have encouraged political negotiations between the Albanian Kosovars and Belgrade, and our message should have been: ensure the equal rights of this minority population. This is the only way to peace. Sri Lanka is another such place, and the fighting there will never end until there is a political settlement. It never would have started had the government not discriminated against minority groups.


7 posted on 03/09/2008 9:56:23 PM PDT by ratbert38
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To: CivilWarguy
One problem with all this: Kosovo has been a de facto independent state for several years now.

So were several southern states. Didn't do them much good either!

17 posted on 03/10/2008 7:08:20 PM PDT by F-117A (Mr. Bush, have someone read UN Resolution 1244 to you!!!)
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