My objection to both of them is that (at least in my admittedly limited exposures) they are both soft-headed sappy go-along guys with few definite ideas and a complete inability to understand or explain great national security issues.
I admit that my impressions of each are severely limited by the fact that I did not find them worth watching and so did not do so for very long.
When joe was in the house, he had real balls and was way right.
He got the tv gig and little by little the chemical castration began to work.
Joe is only six months away from having a real vagina and his add on boobies are being fabricated as I type.
He's gonna end up being a janet reno type lesbian, big and ugly.