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To: Mr. Brightside

Oh, and by the way, anybody who writes half the Scots-Irish vote off as Catholic doesn’t have a clue.

The Scots-Irish were Protestant to a man.

The Catholic Irish arrived much later.


15 posted on 03/09/2008 1:50:15 PM PDT by Supercharged Merlin
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To: Supercharged Merlin
The Catholic Irish arrived much later

The native Catholic Irish and Protestant Scots-Irish were also mortal enemies both in Northern Ireland and the American colonies, and many of those two warlike breeds of Celts are still mortal enemies in Northern Ireland. After the rebellious lowland Scots were disastrously defeated by a numerically superior English army at the battle of Culloden, the English forced many of the defeated Scots to give up their land and homes and settle in Northern Ireland as a counter balance to the native Irish who hated their English overlords and posed a constant threat of armed rebellion. The fact that the English gentry wanted the Scots' land for grazing sheep was another primary factor in that forced exile.

Of course the Catholic native Irish of that northern region deeply resented the new Protestant settlers taking their land and farms by force of English bayonets, and the resulting bitterly fought battles have gone on sporadically between the two sides ever since. Whenever you have Celts fighting Celts there will invariably be extremely bitter emotional issues on both sides.

According to my extensive research into my family's genealogy going back to 13th century British and Scottish church and public records, I have quite a few ancestors on the Scots side of the fight and at least one on the Irish side. Somehow a few individuals on opposing sides managed to get along well enough to bear children together, and that requires some very serious getting along.

21 posted on 03/09/2008 3:02:50 PM PDT by epow (The scriptures teach that rulers should be men who rule in the fear of God, - Noah Webster,1823)
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To: Supercharged Merlin

Well, no, the “Catholic Irish” didn’t arrive at all.
The Irish were already there long before Catholicism arrived:)

The Scots Irish were imported by the British.


30 posted on 03/09/2008 9:38:05 PM PDT by La Enchiladita
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To: Supercharged Merlin
The Scots-Irish were Protestant to a man. The Catholic Irish arrived much later.

The original Scottish that arrived in this county prior to 1776 were mostly Catholic Scottish along with some old Pagan Scottish. The Catholic Scottish were eventually called Jacobites and they had been originally converted shortly after Ireland was converted from Paganism to Catholicism. Jacobites supported King James (Jacob in Latin). Probably who Jamestown was named after (King James was from the Stewart line of Kings). The English basically forced most of the Jacobites out of Scotland (at least the ones that were a threat). In the United States the Scottish became the number 2 ethnicity in the late 1700's after the United States was formed, according to the very first US census. Behind German and ahead of English. The Stewart line of Kings (apparently the last Celtic Kings to rule the entire United Kingdom) eventually turned Protestant as most of Scotland did. The traditionally accepted Scots-Irish appear to the the Scottish who came to America after the major English inspired conversion to the Protestant religion. They were also the Scottish who were resettled back into Northern Ireland. So they appears to be three different flavors of old school Scottish. The original Pagan Scottish, then the Catholic Scottish Jacobites then the Protestant Scottish. A subgroup of the Protestant Scottish appear to be referred to as the Scots-Irish. At any rate, when the Dal Riada tribe left Ireland a famous Irish King said, let them go but never refer to them as Gaelic again. So the Jacobite Scottish are not Scots-Irish. They are Scottish. They were the Dal Riada who merged with the Picts to form Scotland. Named after their historic queen Scoti, who oddly was an Egyptian Pharaohs daughter. They apparently also settled into Canada (Nova Scotia). Unfortunately, many no longer live in Scotland. They either left for America of their own free will or were sent on prison ships to America and later to Australia. My surname ancestors no longer live there, but some of the ruins of their old homes and keeps still exist. I might go visit em someday.

31 posted on 03/10/2008 1:57:51 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Supercharged Merlin

Oh, you meant arrived to America. Doh.
I thought you meant arrived to Ireland.
Never mind.......


32 posted on 03/10/2008 10:54:31 AM PDT by La Enchiladita
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