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To: Bronzewound

Of course there are tragedies every day, but this was an especially bright and energetic young woman senselessly murdered in her prime. I’ve been thinking about it all day -what a waste. But I’ve also been thinking, how in the world did she encounter her murderer?

That she had naive left wing views is a fact. She travelled to Cuba and is pictured on video waving a Cuban flag at a rally. Her major was in the Poli Sci dept. at Chapel Hill, a hotbed of left liberalism if there ever was one. Out of the naive goodness of her heart, she may just have decided to give this cretin a ride.


98 posted on 03/08/2008 7:18:40 PM PST by Malesherbes
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To: Malesherbes
Out of the naive goodness of her heart, she may just have decided to give this cretin a ride.

oh..didn't consider that. I did hear she had to make a run for something at 1:30am. But on one of the memorial clips I saw they did praise her for giving rides.

99 posted on 03/08/2008 7:33:31 PM PST by Aaron0617
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To: Malesherbes; Aaron0617; chae
chae: some nut was insiting this girl was a lesbian based on the fact that one of her pictures was taken in front of a violet backdrop, and that she was killed because she was a communist who was killed by a cuban hit squad

Two things:

1) First of all, on that other thread, I said very explicitly that a carjacking was the most likely possibility, and that the exotic possibilities were further down the list of things which needed to be examined.

2) I knew absolutely nothing at all about this girl when I was posting on that thread - I had never heard of her, prior to her murder I didn't know that she existed, and I hadn't really thought much about the Student Body Government at UNC [or really anything about UNC in general] in [quite literally] decades. However, what I said on that other thread was that just from glancing at her resumé, the "Havana, Cuba" item stuck out like a sore thumb, that it was completely out of place, that it was something which shouldn't have been there, and that it indicated that there was something badly wrong in the crowd she was running with.

Malesherbes: Out of the naive goodness of her heart, she may just have decided to give this cretin a ride.

Aaron0617: But on one of the memorial clips I saw they did praise her for giving rides.

This question of how the thug [or thugs] ended up in her SUV is very intriguing.

She was last seen by her roommates at about 1:30AM, and her murder was reported to 911 at about 5:00AM.

It seems to me that there are roughly three physical possibilities here, multiplied by two social possibilities:

1) The thugs were unknown to her, and burst into her apartment and ordered her, at gunpoint, to take them for a ride in her SUV. [Social multiplier: The thugs were known to her, and she invited them into her apartment, and then to come along with her for a ride in her SUV.]

2) As she was walking from her apartment to her SUV [there's some disagreement as to whether the SUV was parked at her apartment or up the street a way], the thugs assaulted her, and ordered her, at gunpoint, to take them for a ride in her SUV. [Social multiplier: As she was walking to her SUV, she engaged the thugs in conversation and invited them to come along with her for a ride in her SUV.]

3) Once she was in the SUV [possibly even moving down the road], the thugs managed to get the SUV over to the side of the road [there's been some speculation that they may have rammed her with another car], and forced their way into the SUV, at gunpoint. [Social multiplier: As she was driving her SUV, she saw the thugs walking down the sidewalk, pulled over, and asked them if they would like a ride.]

Now let me digress for a minute and get back to the question of her resumé.

Like I said above, when I was posting on that other thread a few days ago, I knew absolutely nothing about this girl.

But in the interim, I've read an enormous amount about her, and I feel like I am starting to get a better picture of what her attitudes might have been.

From her official "biography" at UNC:

1) Morehead Scholar

2) double major, Poly Sci & Biology, with a view towards "pre-med"

3) Phi Beta Kappa

4) Student Body President

5) teaching at Frank Porter Graham Elementary School in Chapel Hill and tutoring at Githens Middle School in Durham

6) semester in Havana, Cuba

7) additional travel to Ecuador, Egypt and Ghana

8) heavy involvement in an anti-hunger campaign called "Nourish International"

When I first read that list of - gosh, I hate to call them "accomplishments" - ugh, they almost read more like court-ordered punishments - anyway, when I first read that list, my immediate thought was, "When did this poor girl find the time to sleep?"

Just being a biology major preparing for med-school [taking the MCATs and filling out all the paperwork for the various med-school applications] is just about a full time job; throw in a double major in Poly Sci, and you can forget about everything else.

But then there's the Presidency of the Student Body - just about a full time job in and of itself. Plus tutoring & teaching at both the elementary & middle-school levels? [And she's not even an education major - how in the world did she score those gigs?]

Anyway, this poor girl had spread herself so thin that you could legitimately question her sanity.

By the way, there's an indication in this Herald-Sun article that maybe she had indeed spread herself too thin - maybe for whatever reason she wasn't getting acceptance letters from the medical schools [hard to believe if she really was Phi Beta Kappa, and if she really was taking legitimate biology courses - her MCAT scores would have to have been extremely low for her not to have been admitted to at least a handful of medical schools], or maybe she had started to let the biology coursework slide, and she was only going to be able to get a single degree in Poly Sci [rather than a double major in Poly Sci & Biology], or maybe she so enjoyed what she had tasted of life as an elitist politico that she didn't want anything to do with getting her hands dirty in medicine [that seems to be what happened to Chelsea Clinton, who started out at Stanford with the intention of going to medical school, but ended up going to Oxford in politics and then getting a cushy job at a hedge fund].

But the thing which really changed my thinking about Eve Carson was the following picture at WRAL:

While it was true that she was busy assembling a resumé like a young Hillary Rodham, or a Michelle LaVaughn Robinson, unlike those two fellow travellers - who understood that the purpose of liberalism is not to actually "help" people, as its rhetoric would suggest, but rather its purpose is to serve as the pseudo-intellectual foundation upon which political power is accumulated - that unlike those hardened cynics, the picture of Eve in the fireman's hat was simply so goofy [quite frankly silly, bordering on ridiculous] that it made me realize that maybe Eve Carson really was a true believer.

That maybe she was what Lenin would have called a useful idiot.

That maybe she was the kind of girl who would have swooned at an Obama rally.

That maybe she really did believe that if we all just joined hands and sang, "Kumbaya", then the world would be better place ["for you and me"].

So getting back to the question of how the thugs made their way into her SUV - we know that Eve travelled extensively throughout the third world [Cuba, Ecuador, Egypt and Ghana], and that she was involved in teaching young people at very troubled institutions.

For instance, take a look at e.g. the demographics of Githens Middle School, in Durham:

56% African American
20% White
19% Hispanic
Schooldigger North Carolina State Ranking: 412th (of 447 public middle schools)
http://www.schooldigger.com/go/NC/schools/0126000549/school.aspx

60% African American
20% White
15% Hispanic
http://nc.localschooldirectory.com/schools_info.php/school_id/62524

http://www.publicschoolreview.com/school_ov/school_id/59308

Coming out of a tutoring background like that [and the demographics at Frank Porter Graham Elementary School are similar, if not identical], it's entirely possible that Eve Carson knew her attackers - either as her students, or as older siblings of her students, or as parents of her students.

And even if she didn't know her attackers personally, it's certainly probable that she felt as though she "understood" young thugs like the fellows who would prove to be her attackers.

So we what we may be dealing with here was a poor girl who was working herself to death in order to assemble the picture-perfect resumé, who was still awake, working, at 1:30AM, and who must have left her house sometime between 4:00AM and 5:00AM so as to "work" even more [possibly heading for her office, at the student center], and who believed so fervently in this do-gooder ethic of "helpingness" that she might very well have invited these thugs along for a ride with her.

Which is to say: Eve Carson may have been a girl who was quite literally murdered by her own unswerving allegiance to the pagan religion of Liberalism.

113 posted on 03/09/2008 2:46:47 PM PDT by KayEyeDoubleDee (const Tag &referenceToConstTag)
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To: Malesherbes
She travelled to Cuba and is pictured on video waving a Cuban flag at a rally.

Can you remember where you saw that video?

I'd like to watch it.

117 posted on 03/09/2008 2:58:23 PM PDT by KayEyeDoubleDee (const Tag &referenceToConstTag)
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