Posted on 03/08/2008 8:22:16 AM PST by kenn5
Texas Two-Step Leaving Dems Flat-Footed
The Clinton campaign may go to court. The Obama campaign wants to take its delegates and get out of town before sundown. The Texas Two-Step is overheating an already fired up Democratic presidential contest.
The Newsblog mentioned this on Wednesday but there is a very good chance that winning the Texas primary might not mean that Sen. Hillary Clinton gets to take away the most delegates. That because after the primary -- which she won 51-47 percent -- come the caucuses and it looks like Sen. Barack Obama may win those.
Here's where the delegate count gets funky. NPR's Wade Goodwyn and Robert Siegel report that Clinton's primary win means she snapped up 65 delegates to Obama's 61. Not a big difference, but a difference nonetheless. But if the numbers in the caucus vote hold up, then Obama will win 37 more pledged delegates to Clinton's 30. So Obama would have 98 delegates and Clinton 95 and he would leave Texas with three more delegates that Clinton
But wait, there's more. It might not all get sorted out until summer ...
"The end result of the Texas caucuses was that attendees picked delegates. These delegates will then go on to attend a county convention in late March to caucus. Then, the delegates from the county convention must go to the state convention and hold another caucus. The whole Texas process will not be wrapped up until June."
The Clinton camp is none to happy about this development and is threatening to take legal action because it said it won the state. The Obama campaign is trying to retroactively claim victory in a place which many news organizations had already reported that Clinton won.
Somewhere John McCain is smiling.
DU is covering this extensively.
Lots of articles in Google News:
This keeps getting better and better.
I don’t think the Texas Dems are going to take this very well. As a conservative, I don’t like it either. We are not Florida and don’t want outsiders coming in and counting chads in Nov. and telling us how to do stuff.
Go over to DU, not for better information but just for the pure fun of it.
The crazies are going bonkers, posting all sorts of info regarding the klintoons with crooked money, chinese money, saudi money etc.
The looney left has JUST DISCOVERED THE EARTH IS NOT FLAT, and the klintoons are grifters and thieves.
They are psoting as if this is new stuff. It must really hurt their eyes to look at the truth and say, "Wow man, where has all this been for the last 15 years. We never would have known this if obama, the one whose middle name can't be spoken, didn't reveal the truth and light to us.
obama akbar.
It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.
Joseph Stalin
I didn’t like it at first, but I now think Limbaugh was right to delay this as long as possible.
My mom is a Democrat with conservative leanings. She went to her precinct caucus here in El Paso. It was 13 Clinton delegates to 7 Obama delegates. She went specifically to vote against Obama.
Ya' think?!? < SNORT>
Don’t trust anything you hear on NPR. Everything they report is based on furthering their agenda.
I couldn’t have said it better but on the plus side it gives Hillary and Obama more time for infighting and is potentially very damaging to the Democratic party going into their convention. It doesn’t look like they will have a clear cut winner. It will be interesting to see how the super delegates shake out.
Once the Clintons get the first message out....it is
ALL IN THEIR FAVOR FOR WEEK OR TWO-...if it is wrong,
the damage is done..and old news,etc. sneaky and
logical, for their game...do anything to win..period. JK
My Mom is a Dem too. I think she voted for Huckabee though to shut me up:’) As for as conservative, she’s about as conservative as you can get for a Dem.
Democrats are challenging every outcome that doesn't suit them in court. Dittos for Florida and Michigan delegates.
Just remember all the primary and causcus structures, division of delegates, etc. have been set up for tyhe RATS by the RAT state and national parties. If they want to complain guess what...they can blame themselves.
Pass the popcorn please!
They did say they would probably be "finalizing" the count for the next three months. LOL
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/TX-D.phtml
Contest | Clinton | Obama | |||||||
Pop Vote |
Qual Vote |
Del | Vote | Alloc | Del | Vote | Alloc | Del | |
SD1 | 90,660 | 86,165 | 4 | 50,423 | 2.341 | 2 | 35,742 | 1.659 | 2 |
SD2 | 89,741 | 88,663 | 4 | 44,098 | 1.989 | 2 | 44,565 | 2.011 | 2 |
SD3 | 95,414 | 90,591 | 4 | 57,029 | 2.518 | 3 | 33,562 | 1.482 | 1 |
SD4 | 90,596 | 88,121 | 4 | 47,887 | 2.174 | 2 | 40,234 | 1.826 | 2 |
SD5 | 102,864 | 99,926 | 4 | 48,414 | 1.938 | 2 | 51,512 | 2.062 | 2 |
SD6 | 56,069 | 55,564 | 3 | 35,828 | 1.934 | 2 | 19,736 | 1.066 | 1 |
SD7 | 81,085 | 80,758 | 3 | 37,261 | 1.384 | 1 | 43,497 | 1.616 | 2 |
SD8 | 95,302 | 94,883 | 4 | 42,207 | 1.779 | 2 | 52,676 | 2.221 | 2 |
SD9 | 73,498 | 73,132 | 3 | 31,393 | 1.288 | 1 | 41,739 | 1.712 | 2 |
SD10 | 106,340 | 105,766 | 5 | 44,591 | 2.108 | 2 | 61,175 | 2.892 | 3 |
SD11 | 84,866 | 83,999 | 4 | 44,689 | 2.128 | 2 | 39,310 | 1.872 | 2 |
SD12 | 90,220 | 89,681 | 4 | 46,302 | 2.065 | 2 | 43,379 | 1.935 | 2 |
SD13 | 121,458 | 120,952 | 7 | 31,935 | 1.848 | 2 | 89,017 | 5.152 | 5 |
SD14 | 151,377 | 150,382 | 8 | 54,848 | 2.918 | 3 | 95,534 | 5.082 | 5 |
SD15 | 80,423 | 79,990 | 4 | 30,118 | 1.506 | 2 | 49,872 | 2.494 | 2 |
SD16 | 80,849 | 80,404 | 4 | 37,842 | 1.883 | 2 | 42,562 | 2.117 | 2 |
SD17 | 93,234 | 92,520 | 5 | 42,107 | 2.276 | 2 | 50,413 | 2.724 | 3 |
SD18 | 102,713 | 99,578 | 4 | 52,428 | 2.106 | 2 | 47,150 | 1.894 | 2 |
SD19 | 87,515 | 84,802 | 4 | 53,442 | 2.521 | 3 | 31,360 | 1.479 | 1 |
SD20 | 99,810 | 98,130 | 4 | 68,380 | 2.787 | 3 | 29,750 | 1.213 | 1 |
SD21 | 120,745 | 117,622 | 4 | 82,096 | 2.792 | 3 | 35,526 | 1.208 | 1 |
SD22 | 70,494 | 69,044 | 3 | 39,336 | 1.709 | 2 | 29,708 | 1.291 | 1 |
SD23 | 117,612 | 116,971 | 6 | 31,606 | 1.621 | 2 | 85,365 | 4.379 | 4 |
SD24 | 64,492 | 63,208 | 3 | 33,629 | 1.596 | 2 | 29,579 | 1.404 | 1 |
SD25 | 128,392 | 127,449 | 6 | 57,688 | 2.716 | 3 | 69,761 | 3.284 | 3 |
SD26 | 90,402 | 89,407 | 4 | 55,439 | 2.480 | 2 | 33,968 | 1.520 | 2 |
SD27 | 88,669 | 86,871 | 3 | 61,782 | 2.134 | 2 | 25,089 | 0.866 | 1 |
SD28 | 71,036 | 67,065 | 3 | 40,709 | 1.821 | 2 | 26,356 | 1.179 | 1 |
SD29 | 98,821 | 97,124 | 3 | 68,039 | 2.102 | 2 | 29,085 | 0.898 | 1 |
SD30 | 75,219 | 72,913 | 3 | 45,513 | 1.873 | 2 | 27,400 | 1.127 | 1 |
SD31 | 44,506 | 43,354 | 2 | 26,392 | 1.218 | 1 | 16,962 | 0.782 | 1 |
Delegates | 126 | 65 | 61 |
Here is how we estimate the statewide delegate count (based on partial and preliminary results of the 4 March 2008 Precinct Conventions from a party source [as of 7 March 2008 at 1:46 AM CST -- 3,380 of 8,224 (41.10%) of the precincts reporting]):
Contest | Obama | Clinton | Uncommitted | Other | |||||||||||
Pop Vote |
Qual Vote |
Del | Vote | Alloc | Del | Vote | Alloc | Del | Vote | Alloc | Del | Vote | Alloc | Del | |
PLEO | 42,582 | 42,538 | 25 | 23,918 | 14.057 | 14 | 18,620 | 10.943 | 11 | 38 | 6 | ||||
At-Large | 42,582 | 42,538 | 42 | 23,918 | 23.615 | 24 | 18,620 | 18.385 | 18 | 38 | 6 | ||||
Delegates | 67 | 38 | 29 |
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