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To: CottShop
Yes there was- They were a peaceful tolorant [sic] group who lived alongside Christians and other religious groups in harmony, not bloodshed as happened AFTER Muhammahd came on the scene and hijacked an already established relgious [sic] group.

Islam did not exist before Mad Mo crawled into a hole to be enthralled by the hissings of The Serpent.

Muhamahd ordered them destroyed, vast libraries of knowledge were lost ofrever [sic].

True. As was the new world version of the Bible. It was a little different that the one The Church used, and the padres assumed it was satanically inspired. Given the culture that they found, one can hardly blame them!

Bruno was burned alive because he refused to cave in to peer pressure and infact [sic] did beleive [sic] his eyes, not some imaginary scenarios proposed by folks with absolutely no scientific evidence to support their assumptions.

Yes, he refused to cave to The Church's peer pressure, and believe the imaginary scenarios in that book they worship.

In all my years of arguing for ID on the net, in many different forums,

All that practice, and this is all the better you can do?

all the coutner [sic] arguments boil down to assumptions about past events and are entirely without scientific support concering [sic] the so called macroevolution.

Talk to me, what exactly do you think the term 'macroevolution' means?

Gravity proved old earth age?

Never said that. You asked How were they ‘verified’? I merely gave an example of the verification process. That is one tests the hypothesis with physical tests.

First of all, geoncentrists [sic] have eivdnece [sic] which makes a case for hteir [sic] idea- I donm’t [sic] take a stand on this one way or hte [sic] other

No doubt.

sdecondly [sic], I’m not aweare [sic] that bible states that we are the center, Where the evidenc3 [sic] isn’t solidified, but rather controversial, I don’t indict folks for having a different itnerpretation [sic] on issues of no real relevence [sic].

I've seen nothing that indicates that the Bible says the earth is it, you have stumbled on my whole point: science improves the understanding of God's creation.

From what I know, Helicentricity [sic] has strong points to support it’s case, and so does Geocentric.

Geocentric is a perfectly good enough model for throwing a baseball.

It starts to fail for aiming an ICBM, and is utterly useless for sending a probe to another planet.

I’m almost positive that in the time of Gallilaeo [sic], there certaintly [sic] wasn’t sufficient evidences one way or hte [sic] other, and htose [sic] stating heliocentricty [sic] were doing so purely on their opinion abotu [sic] hwat [sic] they saw, and other dissagreed [sic].

*sigh* Galileo DISCOVERED the facts, verifiable by anyone willing to look through even a low powered telescope, that the earth was not the center of every orbit (that's why the 4 biggest moons of Jupiter are called the Galilean Moons) and that the heavenly bodies aren't perfect.

People no less intelligent than you and I looked at the blotchy surface of the moon, and blandly decreed that all heavenly bodies were perfect. It simply never occurred to any of them, over thousands of years, that the same level of blotches on a face would be horribly disfiguring!

Galileo looked and said, ummmmmm, guys? Result? He narrowly escaped with his life!

So please don't say "I’m almost positive that in the time of Gallilaeo [sic] , there certaintly [sic] wasn’t sufficient evidences one way or hte [sic] other,". It sounds as ignorant is if you had said: "I’m almost positive that in the time of Columbus, there certainly wasn’t sufficient evidences one way or the other, to say there was a 'new world' on the other side of the Atlantic."

Divine revelation.

Maybe He routinely talks to you, but He's been notably silent on the world stage lately for the rest of us.

As well, We have followed the geentic [sic] evidnece [sic] back throug [sic] time showing htat [sic] people did descend from a single person,

Source please?. Last I heard there were seven distinct Eves based on mitochondrial DNA evidence.

and we know through genetics that species are discontinuous, further solidifying the idea that species are uniquely created and can’t ‘morph’ beyond hteir [sic] own kinds.

To be a separate species, something has to be genetically discontinuous with other species, otherwise they'd be the same species, wouldn't they?

Also, the second half: "and can’t ‘morph’ beyond hteir [sic] own kinds." doesn't necessarily follow from the first half.

291 posted on 03/10/2008 2:40:16 PM PDT by null and void (It's 3 AM, do you know where Hillary is? Does she know where Bill is? Does Bill know what 'is' is?)
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To: null and void

[[Islam did not exist before Mad Mo crawled into a hole to be enthralled by the hissings of The Serpent]]

Technically you are right-0 it wasn’t officially clalled islam however, the peopel who praciticed a particular religion of middle easeternern persuasion are the same peopel who were forced into islam by Mo- Mo hijcaked their religion.

[[Given the culture that they found, one can hardly blame them!]]

What culture woudl that be?

[[Yes, he refused to cave to The Church’s peer pressure, and believe the imaginary scenarios in that book they worship]]

It wasn’t the bible they were preaching but a godless account of earth evetns- which incidently is secular and had nothign to do with hte bible

[[All that practice, and this is all the better you can do?]

It’s a sure sight better than “If this condition were just right, and this event took place at just the right itme of year, and if the systems were isolated from the destructive forces of nature, and if somethign prevented cells from burnign htemselves out, then by golly a living single celeld organism might have happened along”

[[I’ve seen nothing that indicates that the Bible says the earth is it, you have stumbled on my whole point: science improves the understanding of God’s creation]]

Sure it does, when it sticks to pure science and doesn’t go wandering off in never never land claiming all kinds of unproven and scientifically impossible scenarios-

[[So please don’t say “I’m almost positive that in the time of Gallilaeo [sic] , there certaintly [sic] wasn’t sufficient evidences one way or hte [sic] other,”. It sounds as ignorant is if you had said: “I’m almost positive that in the time of Columbus, there certainly wasn’t sufficient evidences one way or the other, to say there was a ‘new world’ on the other side of the Atlantic.”]]

Galilaeo gave his opinion- nothign more- I stand by what I said.

[[Maybe He routinely talks to you, but He’s been notably silent on the world stage lately for the rest of us.]]

Maybe He is routinely silent with you, but for 2.6 billion+ people He isn’t

[[To be a separate species, something has to be genetically discontinuous with other species, otherwise they’d be the same species, wouldn’t they?]]

No- they would have to be unique kinds-

[[Also, the second half: “and can’t ‘morph’ beyond hteir [sic] own kinds.” doesn’t necessarily follow from the first half.]]

Sure it does.

[[Source please?. Last I heard there were seven distinct Eves based on mitochondrial DNA evidence]]

I’ll look more into that tomorrow- I beleive it was traced back to possible sources- some in Africa, perhaps in asia- the africa one i beleive has fallen out of favour due to some anomilies if I remember right.


310 posted on 03/10/2008 11:00:16 PM PDT by CottShop
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