Orderly Universe: Evidence of God?

ABC News ^ | March 2, 2008 | John Allen Paulos

[metmom]

As in the days of Noah.

Then it was “and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.” and that everything was corrupt and violence filled the earth. We may almost be to the Sodom and Gomorrah point but not the days of Noah yet. I fear it won’t be long with the way things are going, though.

[presently no screen name]

DG #189Leave the actual discussion to people who like to discuss things and are qualified to make arguments.

MM It’s just for the purposes of argument, not for sincere seeking.

SPOT ON, metmom! Casting pearls before swine comes to mind. "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." Matthew 7:6

And we see how that scripture has been fulfilled. We give out good in sincerity but....they trample.....

They don't believe The Word of God but they don't see how they are fulfilling what they don't believe.

[presently no screen name]

We may almost be to the Sodom and Gomorrah

If it weren't for the Restrainer, The Holy Spirit, keeping things at bay and prayers of the faithful - I think we would have passed the days of S&G.

[CottShop]

[[However, you both felt it was necessary to dismiss me as stupid or ignorant]]

oh comeon now, donm’t have such a low opinion of yourself- we didn’t dismiss you— we looked forward to more posts by you confirming the sense that we had.

j/k

[modican]

Orderly Universe: Evidence of God?

Orderly Universe = God
God = Orderly Universe
So, are we talking Buddism here. It surely has nothing to do with the biblical God.
For all practical purpose one can rename God to Singularity.
What is this here, La-La Land..?

[CottShop]

[[I’m looking forward to the discovery of fossil giant men.]]

Good news- Your wait ended long ago unbeknownst to you- there is some thouight that neanderthal was related to the nephilim

[Oztrich Boy]

there is some thouight that neanderthal was related to the nephilim

Also some thought that God was an alien from another planet.

Also some thought that George Washington was Adam Weishaupt

Some people even think Ben Affleck is an actor.

[CottShop]

[[I’m looking forward to the discovery of fossil giant men.]]

The bones of giants were on display for all to witness in the time of Josephus, a secualr scholar and historian- wasn’t any conspiracy about it- it was common knowledge

[[Flavius Josephus, the noted Jewish historian of the first century A.D., described these giants as having “bodies so large and countenances so entirely different from other men that they were surprising to the sight and terrible to the hearing.” (8) And he adds that in his day, the bones of the giants were still on display!]]

[[You won’t answer my questions, and because you can’t, you assume I’m evil.]]

We are all born into sin- you don’t particularly stand out amoung us- but cheer up, there’s good news! - we don’t have to reamin there.

[CottShop]

[[Also some thought that God was an alien from another planet.]]

Good for them. I didn’t say I agreed with hte neandetol/nephilim link, but I certainly wouldn’t rule it out conciderring man and neandertol lived alongside each other at one point and were supernaturally strong-

[[Also some thought that God was an alien from another planet.]]

I don’t care what folks who believe in an evidenceless false god think- My God has far more evidence than their God for His existence.

[[Some people even think Ben Affleck is an actor]]

I don’t care what opium addicts think

[Cvengr]

I enjoy studying math and science, and even moreso when shared with othe believers who relish those studies through faith in Him. On the contrary, the most miserable advocates of science I have ever met, are those who seek to use science as a crutch to avoid any faith through Him.

[presently no screen name]

those who seek to use science as a crutch to avoid any faith through Him.

I agree. So well said!

[metmom]

I think we’ve passed there in SOME places. SF and the Netherlands come to mind.

[reasonisfaith]

You are free (by the sovereignty of free will, although not necessarily by the standards of sincerity nor by the boundaries of logic) to make passive suggestions that the flood accomplished nothing. But to proceed from such a precarious position to implying that God’s intelligence should be questioned is very weak.

[reasonisfaith]

“Why do you think God is smarter than you?”

Before answering this, let’s examine the question, why do you think 1 is greater than 0? (It’s the same question in simpler form.)

[reasonisfaith]

“If God is so smart, all-knowing; the future, past, and present are all known to him, why did he create earth?”

I’m glad you asked.

Careful attention reveals the fact that the most significant underlying idea in your post is the sentiment “I don’t like God’s plan.” It doesn’t even touch the question of divine existence. It merely describes God’s actions as unappealing. (My apologies to the Christopher Hitchenses of the world for any hurt feelings, but they will be much better off in the long run if they can understand this.)

This is an argument from aesthetics, and it represents one of two general categories describing almost all atheist propositions. The second category contains the arguments from empiricism. Neither form of argument is ultimately viable under the light of reason.

[GiovannaNicoletta]

Me too!

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. (Genesis 1:1)

9 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. (Romans 1:19-21)

16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. (Colossians 1:16)

3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. (John 1:3)

So now that we know that God repeatedly said that He made the universe, and the earth, and has said that men can look on His creation and know that He exists, and we know that He has said that man has no excuse for looking at His creation and denying Him, I suppose it is on each of us to believe God or not; and, knowing that we will be held responsible for our beliefs, consider seriously whether or not the chance that the theory of evolution and the theory that all of this happened by sheer chance is wrong is worth the consequence.

[Cvengr]

http://www.icr.org/article/376/

Also, Arthur Custance has some great works regarding science and faith.

For example, this book on evolution or creation, is a dcent work. http://www.custance.org/Library/Volume4/index.html

He also has an outstanding 453 page book considering the Virgin birth and how it correlates to Scripture and physical genetics.

[null and void]

"The argument goes like this : "I refuse to prove that I exist", says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing." "But", says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway isn't it? it could not have evolved by chance. it proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED." "Oh dear", says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic."

Douglas Adams' contention is that God is nothing without faith, and that is why He allows no convincing proof of His existence.

Perhaps that is backwards. Perhaps it is we who are nothing without faith?

[metmom]

Douglas Adams is wrong, but that’s no surprise from someone who hates God as clearly as he does.

God goes out of His way to prove His existence and give us reason to trust Him. Scripture is loaded with stuff about proving He exists (post 216) and letting us know that it proves He exists.

[VOA]

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