What? This is common knowledge; there was an article right here on FR about it just in the past few weeks, and one freeper in the comments posted a link to a website that specifically listed which vaccines. Oh, and now that I recall, there was another article about a biotech company in California, just within the past week or so, that is developing vaccines specifically that do not use aborted babies, so parents don’t have the “moral dilemma” of not vaccinating their children or using vaccines created from murdered humans.
I’m not going to spend a bunch of time finding the articles for you, but I am surprised that you doubt my statement, I thought this was fairly well-known by now. Or, maybe I should not be surprised, certainly the government and the pharma companies don’t advertise it.
Also, fyi, there are legal efforts underway by pro-life groups to get laws passed that pharma companies must state which vaccines use aborted baby cells, so people at least know.
Someone has a pro-life ping list and probably could list articles, I’ll spend a few minutes on it, it’s 11 pm. But I’m not making any of this up, I’ve read in print and online about it for several years! I’m sure several Freepers will back me up.
Merck pharmaceutical package insert for Hep. A vaccine, disclosure:
http://www.cogforlife.org/packageinserts.htm
And another, Canadian Health Minister admits vaccines from aborted babies:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1766880/posts
An interesting comment from a Freeper post a while back (can I quit now? Thanks for your interest!)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1750799/posts
“Aside from the cannibalism factor (humanity sinks to that low, to cure older humans?), the DNA of fetal cells carries all sorts of surprises. Don’t expect scientists exploiting these tissue sources to reveal any bad side effects of their work ... one need only note the possible links to autism and the ‘preservative’ used with vaccines, to see that a real cause is not likely to ever be admitted and nobody is even admitting to check for possible genetic ‘leakage’. When human growth hormone was being produced from cadavers, the inveigling of a genetically/viral linked nerve disease was discovered but the cadaveric process continued until an artifical means was discovered to produce the hormone. Short answer, no, I don’t know of any proven ones from fetal tissues, yet.”
27 posted on 12/09/2006 11:29:35 AM PST by MHGinTN
Thank you for this post. I had no idea! This will make certain vaccine issues much easier to decide upon.
I went to school and studied in a field related to this so I am quite familiar with science. This scares the heck out of me.
Only among folks obviously dedicated to the subject or virologists involved in their making. As a family practice doc, egg allergy and the fact that most vaccines are still made with the help of chicken eggs is more practical to remember.
Someone has a pro-life ping list and probably could list articles, I’ll spend a few minutes on it, it’s 11 pm.
I got the impression that you were signing off. That was quite a mistake. Thanks for the links. Tracing the history of WI-38 human diploid lung fibroblasts, I found this:
MORAL REFLECTIONS ON VACCINES PREPARED FROM CELLS DERIVED FROM ABORTED HUMAN FOETUSES
Here are some excerpts:
To date, there are two human diploid cell lines which were originally prepared from tissues of aborted foetuses ( in 1964 and 1970) and are used for the preparation of vaccines based on live attenuated virus: the first one is the WI-38 line (Winstar[Wistar is the correction needed. It's not Winstar.] Institute 38), with human diploid lung fibroblasts, coming from a female foetus that was aborted because the family felt they had too many children (G. Sven et al., 1969). It was prepared and developed by Leonard Hayflick in 1964 (L. Hayflick, 1965; G. Sven et al., 1969)3 and bears the ATCC number CCL-75. WI-38 has been used for the preparation of the historical vaccine RA 27/3 against rubella (S.A. Plotkin et al, 1965)4. The second human cell line is MRC-5 (Medical Research Council 5) (human, lung, embryonic) (ATCC number CCL-171), with human lung fibroblasts coming from a 14 week male foetus aborted for "psychiatric reasons" from a 27 year old woman in the UK. MRC-5 was prepared and developed by J.P. Jacobs in 1966 (J.P. Jacobs et al, 1970)5. Other human cell lines have been developed for pharmaceutical needs, but are not involved in the vaccines actually available6.
The vaccines that are incriminated today as using human cell lines from aborted foetuses, WI-38 and MRC-5, are the following:7
"A) Live vaccines against rubella8 :
- the monovalent vaccines against rubella Meruvax®!! (Merck) (U.S.), Rudivax® (Sanofi Pasteur, Fr.), and Ervevax® (RA 27/3) (GlaxoSmithKline, Belgium);
- the combined vaccine MR against rubella and measles, commercialized with the name of M-R-VAX® (Merck, US) and Rudi-Rouvax® (AVP, France);
- the combined vaccine against rubella and mumps marketed under the name of Biavax®!! (Merck, U.S.),
- the combined vaccine MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) against rubella, mumps and measles, marketed under the name of M-M-R® II (Merck, US), R.O.R.®, Trimovax® (Sanofi Pasteur, Fr.), and Priorix® (GlaxoSmithKline UK).
B) Other vaccines, also prepared using human cell lines from aborted foetuses:
- two vaccines against hepatitis A, one produced by Merck (VAQTA), the other one produced by GlaxoSmithKline (HAVRIX), both of them being prepared using MRC-5;
- one vaccine against chicken pox, Varivax®, produced by Merck using WI-38 and MRC-5;
- one vaccine against poliomyelitis, the inactivated polio virus vaccine Poliovax® (Aventis-Pasteur, Fr.) using MRC-5;
- one vaccine against rabies, Imovax®, produced by Aventis Pasteur, harvested from infected human diploid cells, MRC-5 strain;
- one vaccine against smallpox, AC AM 1000, prepared by Acambis using MRC-5, still on trial.
They still have two cell lines from one therapeutic and another one elective abortion since about 40 years ago.
--Snip--
Moreover, we find, in such a case, a. proportional reason, in order to accept the use of these vaccines in the presence of the danger of favouring the spread of the pathological agent, due to the lack of vaccination of children. This is particularly true in the case of vaccination against German measles15.
IMHO, you can only take a pass on Hepatitis A and chicken pox vaccines. They are self limiting diseases, the former avoided by common hygiene regulations and the latter justified only by parents staying home with a sick kid.
Coleus, this this a courtesy ping for the Vatican link.