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To: Bull Market
“In a McCain administration, they will be very effective in thwarting the Democrat amnesty and open borders agenda like they are doing now. McCain would continue that situation.”

That is just dishonest. Really really dishonest. You have absolutely zero basis for that statement.

Conservative Republican Senators stopped amnesty when Bush was for it, and Conservative Republican Senators can stop amnesty if and when McCain asks for it.

McCain's position has pretty much been George W Bush's position, although McCain has in the primary move to Bush's right on this, saying he wont ask for amnesty until the border is secured. They wanted a 'comprehensive' approach. The Democrat leaders in the Senate, Harry Reid and his pals Schumer, Kennedy, Feinstein, Durbin, wanted it as well. So you had about 7 RINOs plus 45 or so Senate Democrats wanting it.

They were stopped, because they needed 60 votes. There are about 40 conservative Republicans who voted against the comprehensive amnesty, and about 30 of them are solid on anti-immigration position. A small group of Democrats peeled off against amnesty (like Byrd) and that was enough.

If we lose Allard to a liberal Democrat Udall, if we lose Domenici's seat to a liberal Democrat Udall, if we lose other seats, like Virginia to a liberal Democrat ... then we have lost the capability to filibuster amnesty in the Senate.

Unlike McCain, Obama is not predicating border fence before amnesty. Obama voted against the border fence in 2006 and was one of only 18 very liberal Senators who voted against cloture on it in September 2006, when most of the Senate felt compelled to 'do something' about the border. Not Obama (Clinton, McCain and 80 other Senators were for it).

If Obama wins, amnesty will happen. Not necessarily because who wins the White House, but because his win will come with coattails and when Obama puts his political capital down to push for it (he will, the open borders folks are behind him 100%) he will get it from the Democrat Senate majority. Although, it is clear now that McCain wont push as soon and as hard for amnesty as Obama will ... it is really about who wins in the US Senate.

On the other hand, Bob Shaffer in Colorado will not be voting for amnesty. Kilgore in Virginia will not be, neither will any Republican take the Obama/Clinton 100%-for-amnesty position.

If McCain wins, the status quo will prevail. Moreover, McCain has clearly signalled that he will not even ask for amnesty until the border is secured. This is his verbal agreement to the Isackson (sp?) amendment and other amendments from the 'enforcement first' side. The border fence progress is not even close, certainly not enough to justifying any claim that it is secured or will be secured any time soon. While there is a risk that down the road the issue will come up once the borders are deemed 'secure', it will delay action and keep focus on border security for a few years.

Seriously, which parallel universe do you speak of this happening in? It sure as hell wouldn’t happen in our universe. -

Excuse me, but it is dishonest of you to use that language. The basis for this analysis is what happened in 2007 and the many races and actual positions of candidates who are running for Congress as well as President. To be simplistic and just bash McCain is to get it wrong.

58 posted on 03/07/2008 10:23:30 AM PST by WOSG (William F Buckley: A great conservative, may he rest in peace.)
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To: WOSG
"Unlike McCain, Obama is not predicating border fence before amnesty." Uh, when has McCain EVER sincerely advocated an actual fence? And even if he did starting today, wouldn't that make him a flip-flopper? It's incredibly dishonest to believe McCain would fight his Dem buddies on this, or any other issue, when he never has before. This isn't simple McCain bashing. It's the God's honest down to Earth truth.
66 posted on 03/07/2008 2:20:58 PM PST by Bull Market (I will not vote for John McCain. Hillary's my girl!)
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