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CNN projects Obama wins Vermont
CNN via KFI radio, Los Angelse | Mar 4, 2008

Posted on 03/04/2008 4:04:57 PM PST by John Jorsett

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To: narses

That is New Hampshire!


21 posted on 03/04/2008 5:31:12 PM PST by Redleg Duke ("All gave some, and some gave all!")
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To: kabar

She won’t trail by that much. At worst it would be 20-30 delegates after FL is re-done. Dean wants it and Crist gave OK. She would OVERWHELM him in Indiana and PA as well, assuming he continues to run.

You will see his FREE FALL in polls begin from this point on.

Guaranteed.

NO ONE can over come Arkansas Mafia and Conservative Talk-Show barage at the same time.

He is done.


22 posted on 03/04/2008 5:32:07 PM PST by The_Republican (You know why Chelsea Clinton is so Ugly? Because Janet Reno is her Father! LOL! - Mac is Back!)
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To: jdm

I am happy if Obama wins, and happy if he loses! Either way the GOP wins.


23 posted on 03/04/2008 5:32:37 PM PST by bvw
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To: CitizenM

Philadelphia has mean streets. I do not think Her Highness of Enabling wins PA.


24 posted on 03/04/2008 5:34:04 PM PST by bvw
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To: The_Republican
She won’t trail by that much. At worst it would be 20-30 delegates after FL is re-done. Dean wants it and Crist gave OK. She would OVERWHELM him in Indiana and PA as well, assuming he continues to run.

LOL. Where did you come up with that number? By the end of tonight, Obama will still have about a 150 lead in pledged delegates. Under the Dem system of proportional allocation of delegates, there is no way Hillary can make up that kind of difference. She will have to pull at least 75% of the delegates after tonight. Hillary hasn't beaten Obama by such margins.

I doubt if there will be a redo of FL or MI, especially if Obama is leading comfortably in pledged delegates. And even if it did occur, there is no way Hillary would repeat the 50% to 33% victory in FL and she would not get that many more delegates [210 delegates composed of 121 district, 64 at-large, and 25 unpledged delegate votes) than Obama.

And Obama will win Mississippi [40 delegates] and North Carolina [110 delegates] handily with more than two to one margins. This will more than offset Hillary winning Indiana [79 delegates] and PA [181 delegates]. I seriously doubt that Hillary win either one of these states by 20%.

NO ONE can over come Arkansas Mafia and Conservative Talk-Show barage at the same time. He is done.

Saying something doesn't make it so. Hillary may drop out of this if she loses Texas. There just aren't that many delegates left after tonight. You have to do the math.

25 posted on 03/04/2008 6:03:21 PM PST by kabar
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To: narses

They used to say “Live Free or Die” now it is ...
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....”Live Subsidized or Die!”?


26 posted on 03/04/2008 6:27:39 PM PST by Bishop_Malachi (Liberal Socialism - A philosophy which advocates spreading a low standard of living equally.)
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To: kabar

I don’t disagree with your math. However, you are failing to take into account the momentum Hildabeast is building tonight.

Do you realize Obama already slipped in National Poll behind her in last 3 days?

He is done.


27 posted on 03/04/2008 6:39:24 PM PST by The_Republican (You know why Chelsea Clinton is so Ugly? Because Janet Reno is her Father! LOL! - Mac is Back!)
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To: John Jorsett
H-e-l-l-o? People from Vermont...


28 posted on 03/04/2008 6:43:38 PM PST by NewLand (Only one poll counts...our votes!)
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To: John Jorsett
I love Toledo, the Mud Hens andObama!!
29 posted on 03/04/2008 6:56:12 PM PST by Holicheese (Beware your friendly air defenses!)
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To: John Jorsett

The trend continues of Hussein winning the “white” states while dropping the “mixed” states


30 posted on 03/04/2008 7:20:20 PM PST by omega4179 (b.Hussein)
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To: Enchante

I don’t believe it is the Massachusetts folks that are doing it by and large, but I’m open minded. A demographic study would certainly be interesting. My guess is that natives are becoming less religious and more liberal and newcomers from elsewhere are adding to the problem. Again, I could be wrong, but that’s my experience.


31 posted on 03/04/2008 8:37:57 PM PST by MSF BU (++)
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To: John Jorsett

Hmmm... Did “Larry, his brother Darryl and his other brother Darryl” voted for Barack Hussien Obama? Those characters on ‘Newhart’ were not Sterotypes — that is what the dumbells in Vermont are.

Vermont, lovely state — crazy peoples!!


32 posted on 03/04/2008 8:39:51 PM PST by EagleandLiberty (Tribal name -- RinoHunter (Spring training time!! Go BoSox!))
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To: kabar
Obama doesn’t have to win, he just has to lose close. He has a 150+ lead in pledged delegates. It will remain pretty much the same margin at the end of the night

Exactly correct and in fact, Hillary might even lose the delegate count tonight with the Caucaus.

What Obama has done by removing Hillary's double-digit leads in two delegate rich states, is make it virtually impossible for Hillary to catch him on the pledged delegate count.

33 posted on 03/04/2008 11:38:05 PM PST by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: kabar
LOL. High ground means nothing in politics. If she winds up the evening trailing by 150 pledged delegates, she is toast. Obama is the people’s choice. The Dem party will not commit political suicide by having the super delegates overturn the decision at the ballot box. If Hillary loses Ohio or Texas, I predict she will get out. The only caveat is if Hillary’s ops research people have something big on Obama, it could turn the superdelegates.

Exactly correct.

The math is against her and she is runnning out of delegate rich states.

Even with a redo in both Florida and Mich. she will not defeat Obama by the numbers needed to catch his delegate lead.

Then let the White Democratic leadership explain to the blacks how they are going to pick Hillary over Obama when he has more pledged delegates!

I am amazed how so many on FR overestimate the Clintons.

34 posted on 03/04/2008 11:42:07 PM PST by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: CitizenM
This is working out just as the Democrat party stratigests planned. They wanted the drama of a battle between the first female candidate, and the first black candidate because either way they felt sure they would gain the votes of females or blacks and/or both no matter who wins. This was a smart move on the part of the Dems. The party really doesn't care who wins because with the constant media coverage of their campaigns, little time is allowed to the Republicans, as will be the situation once either Hillary or Obama is the final candidate.

This is not who the Democrat Party leaders intended this nomination to go.

They had hoped that it would be wrapped up by now by someone.

Now, you are going to see fissions develop in the Democrat Party as each side gets nastier.

Whoever wins, there is going to be alot of disappointed supporters of the other one who is not going to support the candidate.

35 posted on 03/04/2008 11:45:00 PM PST by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: John Jorsett
CNN projects Obama wins Vermont

who would have thought it. the state that brought you howard dean goes for the pied piper.

36 posted on 03/05/2008 1:20:19 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (the model prescribes the required behavior. disincentives ensure compliance.)
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To: Eye On The Left

I’m bookmarking those youtube vids


37 posted on 03/05/2008 3:44:19 AM PST by Canedawg (Say NO to Che HUSSEIN Obama)
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To: Eye On The Left

We will be like the French with Baaaarack Osoma Momma in charge and be waving a white flag. I like that, Prsident Baaarack Osoma Momma! Has a nice ring to it doesn’t it>


38 posted on 03/05/2008 7:32:11 AM PST by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: fortheDeclaration
I understand your point, but with today's news from the Clinton campaign and Hillery "hinting" of a ticket with both her and Obama, I feel this was always a hope in the smokey back rooms of Democrat strategists. When Obama was encouraged to run they knew they would have two candidates who could arrouse blocks of voters to fanatic support. That happened. Hillary was a known entity. Obama needed exposure and to become known, that happened. Hillary would bring the women and older supporters who longed for a return of the Clinton days. Obama would bring the blacks and the youth vote. And the voters who support either Obama or Hillary would create a wave of excitement that any Republican would not/could not overcome.

One way or another with Clinton and Obama as candidates they grabbed those important votes. With both of them on the ticket...well, the writing is on the wall.

The Democratic race for a candidate has created such a media ferver and rampant support already it has drowned out most coverage of the Republican race and especially will leave McCain wanting for equal publicity. That was always their plan - to get as much publicity as possible, no matter how "devisive" the party appeared to be initially, or how at-odds the Dem candidates seemed to be.

It was a ploy they created to arrouse strong feelings for either of Obama or Hillary based specifically on gender, race and the youth vote, and the Dems played it out. They made an issue of gender and race while pretending those things should not matter. Reverse strategy worked there. With one as the final nominee, and the other as a VP selection, the Dems will capture what they wanted - a unified electorate, in lock-step simply because some wanted the first female, and others wanted the first black in the WH, and the youth simply wanted "change." Votes will be based mainly on that, and not on qualifications or capabilities.

39 posted on 03/05/2008 8:48:14 AM PST by CitizenM ("An excuse is worse than an lie, because an excuse is a lie hidden." Pope John Paul, II)
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To: CitizenM
First, why would Obama, who has the lead in pledge delegates accept the second spot?

Second, why would Obama, who is advocating a new direction for the Democrat Party, tie himself to the old Clinton leadership?

Third, being vice-President doesn't really help you get the Presidency, ask Al Gore.

Fourth, a Hillary/Obama ticket is not going to satisfy the blacks and youth but it will bring out the conservatives in force and many independents will also likely move to McCain due the radical nature of the ticket.

Hillary is not going to be the Democrat nominee, the Democrats cannot rish alienating their black base or casting cold water on the young people who have been drawn to his campaign.

40 posted on 03/05/2008 11:53:56 AM PST by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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