Posted on 03/03/2008 4:24:08 AM PST by Sub-Driver
“Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) told a crowd at Hocking College in Nelsonville, Ohio, Sunday that he believes the Sermon on the Mount justifies his support for legal recognition of same-sex unions. He also told the crowd that his position in favor of legalized abortion does not make him “less Christian.”
Obama’s Christianity has all the substance of oreo cookie filling-but it makes crowds of idiots happy
Actually, concubines were well known for many centuries prior to the Incarnation.
Here is a good website, though, which lists a good number of verses which well communicate the illicit status of homosexuality in Scripture.
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/homosexuality.html
It might also be noted that the NT passages communicate something more than illegality involved. Homosexual acts are intuitively linked to thinking processes which preclude the relationship between God and man. No matter what desire is involved, there still remains and underlying conflict between homosexuality and fellowship with God.
This isn’t provided as being adversarial to homosexuality, rather it is intended to provide those who seek fellowship with God indications from what God reveals by His Word what might preclude such fellowship.
Accordingly, if one is considering homosexuality, I’d encourage them to first consider what God reveals, and then place priority on what He reveals over the desires of our heart, including those who desire to appeal to legalism or to those who seek lasciviousness.
His Word does not go forth without effect, so those studying it, atre encouraged to first retrun into fellowship with Him by simply thinking about God the Father, through faith alone in Christ alone, confessing to Him alone any and all past sins, known or unknown, letting Him handle them, then studying His Word as He guides by His Perfect Plan for every believer.
If you look at the context (the rest of the passage) you see that this is an injunction against hypocrisy--against applying a more lenient standard of judgement to yourself than to others. It is not a blanket ban on law or judgment.
I agree with your point. He manifests a considerable lack of Bible doctrine in his thinking. It's only obscure to those who obfuscate.
One website (http://www.scripturecatholic.com/homosexuality.html) references some 17 verses from 10 different books in the Bible, which touch on the subject, with the Romans passage being one of the less applicable. He doesn't even quote or state the passage. Instead, he has already made up his mind and conviction of his willpower to find some interpretation of part of Scripture to defend his perspective in an appeal to rationalism in his own heart, rather than allowing God to guide Him by His Plan.
Potential DUmmie stuff here.
Conservative most likely will point to this...although I doubt that the GOP will.
Back in 1992 when Clinton gave his long winded acceptance speech at the Democratic Convention, he pretended to “quote” scripture.
He said, “The eye has not seen, nor the ear heard what WE can do.”
Clinton took out “GOD” and replaced GOD with “WE”....a blasphemy that would have gotten him stoned to death in old testament times...but something that was completely UNNOTICED by the Biblically illiterate democrats, media, and the GOP.
Here's a great way to leverage respect for the Scriptures into support for anything you want.
Talk about qualification into meaninglessness: "... which I think, in my mind, for my faith, ..."
Well, I've now gone off on this a bit.
Very good thinking and discernment Cvengr! The issues you raised are confirmation for me of things I thought about after I made that post.
“They didn’t miss much of the NT, but they have always stepped around that first chapter of Romans.”
agreed .... but came close yesterday with the Ephesians reading.
Roger that. The passage is not obscure at all. It it the first thing Paul gets to after the introduction because the issue of man's corrupted heart is the bedrock of the the entire book. Anyone who thinks this passage is obscure has not read and does not understand the message of Romans.
Also if one is going to use the "judge not" passage of Matthew 7 (the last chapter of the sermon on the mount) to justify gay marriage then you could use this passage to rationalize ANY anti social or criminal behavior. ("Leave that ax murderer alone! - Haven't you heard, Judge not")
That is, one who does not think of himself, but of others. One who does not place himself upon a pedestal for all the world to idolize.
Some of the greatest, strongest people I have known have been humble - using the above description.
My question as well. Whenever I am trying to encourage someone to read scripture I always suggest that they start with the Gospel of John and then read Romans.
One cannot judge another’s motivation or what is someone else’s heart. That judgment goes on at a much higher pay rate than you or I have.
However, one has every right to judge another by his action and words. If I see someone stagger out of a bar and wobble up the street, I am certainly allowed to judge that person as drunk. If some one makes a statement which is demonstrably false, I may judge that person a liar.
He’s either a liar, a fake or under a huge demonic deception regarding these subjects. Very scary.
That’s interesting. How do you come to that conclusion? I’m sincerely wondering.
You gotta wonder...
Judge not, lest ye be judged: is that not scriptural?
Martin Luther said if the only two books of the Bible to survive the dark ages had been John and Romans, the entire faith would still have been preserved. But, Romans is a pretty tough read to start newbies on without a mentor or some type of guidance. And the help of the Holy Spirit.
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