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Chavez sends tanks to Colombia border in dispute
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3513902,00.html ^

Posted on 03/02/2008 10:06:47 AM PST by jhpigott

Venezuela President Hugo Chavez ordered tank battalions to the Colombian border on Sunday after Colombian troops struck inside another of its neighbors, Ecuador, in an attack on rebels.

He also ordered the shutting of Venezuela's embassy in Colombia and the withdrawal of all diplomatic staff in the dispute, warning Colombia's actions could spark a war in South America. (Reuters)


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: chavez; colombia; colombiantroops; ecuador; hugochavez; southamerica; venezuela; venezuelantroops
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1 posted on 03/02/2008 10:06:48 AM PST by jhpigott
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To: jeffers; Dog; Cap Huff; 1COUNTER-MORTER-68; maquiladora

ping

. . . . as if the board was not already lit up


2 posted on 03/02/2008 10:07:48 AM PST by jhpigott
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To: jhpigott

Evil Tyrant 101: When things go to hell at home, start a war to distract the people.


3 posted on 03/02/2008 10:08:15 AM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: B-Chan

He’s just pissed one of his FARC buddies Raul Reyes was dispatched today in Ecuador. Cahvez also is threatening war with Colombia if they go after FARC guys hiding in Venezuela. In the words of GWB, I hope Uribe says ‘bring it on’ to Hugo. The nut job is getting increasinly eratic and I think the military will overthrow him if he tries to use them to start a war with Colombia. The people of Venzuela grow weary by the day of the Coca chewing, caffeine addicted nutjob they have running their country. The end is near my dear Hugo, you are only helping to hasten that day forward with your actions.


4 posted on 03/02/2008 10:13:53 AM PST by milwguy (........)
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To: milwguy

That is what they said about castro for 49 years.
But he like hugo have the guns.
Keep yours close in case Mrs. Clintons gets power.


5 posted on 03/02/2008 10:16:33 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: milwguy
Nobody is going to overthrow him. He will pine for attention for a while, but start the actual war after Obama is sworn in. Mark my words, he will export war and revolution across the region. "But he is a buffoon". So was Hitler; watch a Charlie Chaplin parody sometime.
6 posted on 03/02/2008 10:18:24 AM PST by JasonC
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10 battalions of tanks.

Thats about 350 - 400 tanks isn't it?

7 posted on 03/02/2008 10:18:45 AM PST by maquiladora
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Well, this is a little different from what I was predicting awhile back. I thought it was only a matter of time before chavez starts trying to take over the three little nations to his east...french, dutch, and british guyana.


8 posted on 03/02/2008 10:19:16 AM PST by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: jhpigott

why this scumbag is still drawing air is beyond me.


9 posted on 03/02/2008 10:19:54 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: JasonC

In the last election when he wanted to change the laws to allow his to be Presidente for life, he would have rigged the vote and stole it if not for the Generals in the Army telling him they would not support him and send their troops into the street to put down the ensuing riots. That is the ONLY reason he conceded defeat.

The American people read left wing MSM and thus are denied the realities of what is going on in Venezuela. The opposition is uniting and the upcoming state elections may show the world that Hugo’s has lost the support of the masses which he claims to have.

Even with his vast petro dollars he is having to national milk production and farms to feed his people. Inflation is rampant, and his oil industry is being run into the ground by the cronies he appointed to run them.

Foreign oil companies will not invest in new projects because they know Hugo will not honor contracts. The EXXON case is a prime example of the idiocy of this man. The refineries EXXON built to refine Hugo’s HIGH SULPHUR HEAVY OIL are in the US. Hugo can’t sell his oil elsewhere even if he wanted because the refining capacity for his grade of oil does not exist, not to mention the cost of shipping it to someplace like CHINA. His days are numbered and I would give him less than 5 years, possibly much less if he tries to go to war with Colombia.


10 posted on 03/02/2008 10:26:52 AM PST by milwguy (........)
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To: maquiladora

Not sure how many tanks make up one of their battalions, but by comparison, a US battalion has 44 tanks.

Regards,


11 posted on 03/02/2008 10:28:45 AM PST by Thunder 6
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To: maquiladora

Hmmm. Maybe not. Venezuela only has 86 Main Battle Tanks and about 150 Light Tanks.


12 posted on 03/02/2008 10:29:21 AM PST by maquiladora
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To: jhpigott

Can’t we just assassinate this twerp and be done with it?


13 posted on 03/02/2008 10:33:06 AM PST by The Drowning Witch (Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight:)
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To: milwguy
Of course he is incompetent, this sort always is. But no, it does not lead to their inevitable overthrow. Mugabe is still there. Castro's cuba is still a slave state. North Korea is still a nightmare. Don't kid yourself, Chavez will simply murder his opponents.
14 posted on 03/02/2008 10:33:52 AM PST by JasonC
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This has the potential of disrupting the flow of cocaine at market prices. The Democrats will DEMAND that President Bush intervene militarily.


15 posted on 03/02/2008 10:54:13 AM PST by Enterprise ((Those who "betray us" also "Betray U.S." They're called DEMOCRATS!))
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To: maquiladora
Well, depends on how you count each variety. They have 100 or so French MBT varieties, 75 older US TDs, and 80 Brit APCs with cannon armament. Plus about 250 wheeled APC and armored cars. Columbia has 12 gun armed APCs and 300 or so MG armed ones. Venezuela also has a large edge in the air - 2 squadrons of SU-30s, 4 of F-16s, 4 of Mirages, and 2 of Canadian upgrade F-5s - vs. 2 squadrons of Kfirs and 2 of older Mirages. Without US help, Columbia would lose rapidly, in a fight exclusively with starting forces. Of course it is a bigger country and might mobilize whatever, but it is outclassed at the start, due to Chavez's recent arms buying spree.
16 posted on 03/02/2008 10:55:43 AM PST by JasonC
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The difference is that Venezuela had, and still has an educated class, and most of their military leaders were educated in the wetern political system. Many in fact were educated at private military scholls right in the US. The univesity system is still a hotbed of dissent to Chavez, and in fact it was probably the student movement that was most responsible for the loss of his referendum.

Not to discount the power of a tyrant, but the comparisoons to North Korea, Zimbabwe, and Cuba are not as relevant as one might imagine. The petro dollars are creating a new class of wealthy who owe their wealth to Chavez’s benevolence. The poor are just as resentful of a a rich Chavista as they were of the former ruling class elite. Conditions are deteriorating in the Caracas, basic foodstuffs are becoming more expensive and rare. If you can’t feed your supporters, they will cease to support you.


17 posted on 03/02/2008 11:17:15 AM PST by milwguy (........)
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To: JasonC

One more point, the military is not 100% behind Chavez, and even though he has tried to purge the upper ranks of those who dissent, he hasn’t been able to. The only reason he was able to take power was the military allowed him to, the only reason he can hold it is the same. If he tries to force the military into acting against Colombia, they will revolt and overthrow him. They will also look out for their economic interests ahead of Hugo’s delusional thoughts on Colombia.


18 posted on 03/02/2008 11:20:18 AM PST by milwguy (........)
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To: milwguy
Coup attempts against have were tried and failed, elections against him were tried and rigged, he isn't going anywhere. You are just whistling dixie. When Obama in president, he is gonna blow. Not quietly, not "be overthrown". He is going to be directly responsible for the violent deaths of hundreds of thousands of people.

Mark my words, and watch grasshopper.

19 posted on 03/02/2008 9:28:34 PM PST by JasonC
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Coup attempt did fail, because the US did not support it. The elections are rigged, but he LOST the last election, the one which have granted him the right to become the Fidel of Venezuela. The army told him if he did not respect the vote and rigged the results, they would keep their troops in their barracks when the students rioted. That is the ONLY reason Chavez did not steal that election.

The student and opposition movement were fractured before and are now unting under a common anti-Hugo banner. Venezuela is not Cuba or NOrth Korea, or Iran. The people are religous, but not Muslim, which seperates them from all three of the above. They have recent experience in democracy, unlike the three above. They have a vibrant student movement, unlike the above three. They have seen in their lifetimes, the standard of living decline from relative prosperity to basic food shortages. They have a dictatopr who is an admitted coca user. He will be deposed within five years, with or without our help. Even his allies in SA are distancing themselves from him.


20 posted on 03/03/2008 6:27:55 AM PST by milwguy (........)
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