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House Dems' Plan Protects Jobs, Puts Michigan Workers First
Michigan House Democrats ^ | 08.13.07 | -

Posted on 02/27/2008 5:52:26 AM PST by absolootezer0

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To: absolootezer0; NavVet
“i think it’d pass interstate commerce muster because it doesn’t “ban” out of state business, just gives preference to in-state.”

The “preference to in-state” will award jobs to expensive companies that don’t have the ability to do the job.

It will add billions to the cost and taxpayers will pick up the tab!

21 posted on 02/27/2008 6:28:35 AM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: absolootezer0

What are 100% Michigan workers? I don’t see how it would be legal to discriminate against Americans from other States or legal resident aliens. Can’t happen. Michigan needs to cut taxes, cut government spending, do away with insane regulations and basically get out of the way of the people, who actually grow the economy. The way to help the State is to make Michigan the best place to invest money, no amount of additional State regulation is going to do that.


22 posted on 02/27/2008 6:30:47 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Just laugh at them!)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
But I can see you’re just here to troll, how you lasted on FR for this long is a puzzle.

Ah I see you looked me up to try the old 'member since blah blah blah ploy', thats an old one, lol. I used to be a far right neo just like yourself, I know exactly how you think, have fun with it, see you in November. I suspect alot will need to be put on suicide watch, gonna be fun watching the conniptions.

23 posted on 02/27/2008 6:31:37 AM PST by Intimidator (It's not unilateral - just try saying you're a Progressive Democrat in your typical Evangelical chur)
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To: absolootezer0
Well, someone should tell these geniuses that hiring Michigan workers over workers from other states amounts to a violation of the Interstate Commerce Clause.

Nobody ever thought Michigan Democrats (either the Pols or their supporters) were very bright anyway.

24 posted on 02/27/2008 6:32:29 AM PST by Clemenza (I live in New Jersey for the Same Reason People Slow Down to Look at Car Wrecks)
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To: absolootezer0

Here’s a potential problem that might result in the opposite of what the policy is seeking to get to. This policy provides Michigan businesses a disinsentive to expand its business to other states. If it is a Michigan based business, expansion within the United States, and even internationally would provide more Michigan people with job opportunities. It probably provides more tax revenue to Michigan (even though there may be limits to double taxation).

Instead of government creating a bad business environment in Michigan, and then using government to provide incentives for businesses to disregard the bad business environment, I wish the Michigan government concentrated instead on reducing the tax and regulatory burden on Michigan businesses.


25 posted on 02/27/2008 6:35:04 AM PST by winner3000
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To: Clint N. Suhks
He answered your question rather well I thought and you don’t have the cajones to comment? If you don’t see anything wrong with a state compelling a business to hire 100% of its employees from there I hope you don’t have an illness that requires the services of a doctor who resides in another state.

If I'm sick in another state I can go to any PPO doctor I want and guess what it gets paid for. How do I know this? I work for Blue Cross Blue Shield you nimrod, those claims are processed thru IPP(Inter Plan Processing). Yep 50,000 of those claims go thru me everyday. Try again.

26 posted on 02/27/2008 6:36:49 AM PST by Intimidator (It's not unilateral - just try saying you're a Progressive Democrat in your typical Evangelical chur)
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27 posted on 02/27/2008 6:38:45 AM PST by grellis ("Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn’t make any sense at all.” —Ronald Reagan)
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To: absolootezer0

How ‘bout just solving the problem all the way around and making Michigan a “right to work” state? The Unions,like the mainstream media, are dinosaurs.


28 posted on 02/27/2008 6:42:26 AM PST by madison10
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To: Intimidator
LOL! Did you bump your head before you wrote that? Are you sure there isn’t another Wickedpedia cite you can plagiarize? LOL!!!

But if you get your chits and giggles from trolling have at it!

29 posted on 02/27/2008 6:47:29 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks (Who would you rather appoint lifetime judges, Barack Hussein Obama or McQueeg?©®™)
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To: absolootezer0
This is probably an apples and oranges situation, but consider the proposed waterfront developments here in Lansing. These are grand plans, and if they actually come to pass it will be nothing but good news for city residents. Here's the rub: Local unions are pressuring the Lansing City Council to link tax incentives for the developments to contractual clauses which force the developers to employ Lansing-based union workers. The developers have already priced out the work using more affordable contractors from the Grand Rapids area. If the developers ARE forced to use Lansing workers, the costs may turn out to be so prohibitive that they scrap the plans entirely.

I'm pretty sure the Council didn't go along with it, but I don't think a final decision has been made. A similar situation involving a Detroit development plan has already entered lawsuit territory, and the Lansing City Counil had been waiting to see how that turned out before making their final decision.

30 posted on 02/27/2008 6:48:16 AM PST by grellis ("Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn’t make any sense at all.” —Ronald Reagan)
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To: Intimidator; Zeppo
That was actually Wikipedia but nice try

The ultimate authority of intellectuals!

Zeppo, you never stood a chance. LOL!!!!

31 posted on 02/27/2008 6:49:28 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks (Who would you rather appoint lifetime judges, Barack Hussein Obama or McQueeg?©®™)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

You over here still rambling? I see you didn’t respond after I owned you about the Dr thing.


32 posted on 02/27/2008 6:54:54 AM PST by Intimidator (It's not unilateral - just try saying you're a Progressive Democrat in your typical Evangelical chur)
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To: Intimidator
That was actually Wikipedia but nice try

Do I really need to give you a tutorial about Wikipedia? Do I really need to give you instruction on the meaning and usage of footnotes? You posted the following (in part):

Neoconservatism is a political philosophy that emerged in the United States from the rejection of social liberalism, being the idea that society must protect liberty and opportunity for all citizens, and the New Left counterculture of the 1960s. It influenced the Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, and the George W. Bush presidential administrations, representing a re-alignment in American politics, and the defection of liberals to the right-hand side of the political spectrum.[1]

Did you notice that little "[1]" at the end of that snippet? That is a footnote that references the source for that quote as "E.J. Dionne, (1991) Why Americans Hate Politics, New York, New York: Simon & Schuster Inc. p. 56. ISBN 0-671-68255-5".

So, you did indeed quote far leftist E. J. Dionne when you provided your "definition" of neoconservatism. The fact that you claim that you didn't even know that the actual source of what you posted about neoconservatism was a far left commentator should lead any rational observer to question the origin and truthfulness of any other thing that you profess to believe about neoconservatism or "neocons". In fact, it should prompt you to question and reexamine your own beliefs about what neoconservatism is all about...

33 posted on 02/27/2008 7:02:25 AM PST by Zeppo (Every mighty mild... seventies child... Beats me (Metric - Combat Baby))
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To: Zeppo

So Mr Zeppo, how about defining it for me then, hmmm, enlighten me.


34 posted on 02/27/2008 7:09:17 AM PST by Intimidator (It's not unilateral - just try saying you're a Progressive Democrat in your typical Evangelical chur)
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To: grellis

well, what the whole thing makes me think about is the document destruction. all “sensitive” state documents have to be destroyed, then they legislated *how* it had to be destroyed to give the contract to a company in OH.
so we ship all state “sensitive” documents out of state at a much higher cost than it could be.


35 posted on 02/27/2008 7:21:31 AM PST by absolootezer0 (white male christian hetero married gun toting SUV driving motorcycle riding conservative smoker)
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To: Intimidator

I should have said can’t define it in a way that makes sense. What does the “Neo” mean, and if “Neo conservatism” is different from traditional conservatism how does it contrast with traditional conservativisim.

The truth of the matter, is that “Neo Con” is a pejorative term used to refer to those former liberals who “newly” joind the ranks of conservatisim. It is not a separate movement that somehow breaks ranks with traditional conservatism. However, Liberals have taken to using the term, to as a pejorative that they bash all conservatives with, even those that were born conservative such as Dick Cheeny. I think the “google” or “Wikipedia” definition you provided is absurd. But thanks for playing.


36 posted on 02/27/2008 7:31:39 AM PST by NavVet ( If you don't defend Conservatism in the Primaries, you won't have it to defend in November)
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To: absolootezer0

It effectively bans any resident of any state from crossing the state line to go to work.

It might pass muster, but I think this is one that will spend a lot of time in the courts if they do pass it.


37 posted on 02/27/2008 7:33:07 AM PST by NavVet ( If you don't defend Conservatism in the Primaries, you won't have it to defend in November)
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an aggressive job-creation plan
"first, the governor will announce a new cool cities program; then, she'll reassure everyone that 'our plan is working'; and finally, we're going to raise taxes instead of cutting the state budget, because we know what kind of harm is done by deficit spending."
38 posted on 02/27/2008 7:39:18 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/___________________Profile updated Tuesday, February 19, 2008)
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To: NavVet

i always thought a neo-con was either a liberal that had been mugged, or used as a synonym for the south park republicans.


39 posted on 02/27/2008 7:56:02 AM PST by absolootezer0 (white male christian hetero married gun toting SUV driving motorcycle riding conservative smoker)
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To: Intimidator
I don’t see anything wrong either but I’m sure some Neo-con will be along shortly to tell you how bad it is.

Here I am! The plan appears to do nothing new except award government contracts to companies with all Michigan workers and funnel corporate welfare to companies with all Michigan workers.

Government money is taken from taxpayers. No matter how much of it is put back into the economy, the sum is still zero. Economic growth occurs when private business creates new wealth.

Taking water out of the deep end of the pool and dumping it into the shallow end (even if the pool is entirely located in Michigan) will not raise the water level.

There. That's what's wrong with it.

40 posted on 02/27/2008 8:06:59 AM PST by BfloGuy (It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we can expect . . .)
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