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1 posted on 02/26/2008 1:15:42 PM PST by Richard Poe
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What’s left unsaid is why the CIA would want to bring about a US defeat in Vietnam. ???


2 posted on 02/26/2008 1:19:22 PM PST by saganite (Lust type what you what in the “tagline” space)
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Conkrite is one of those I will not shed a tear for when he dies. There will be a special place in hell for him and his ilk.


3 posted on 02/26/2008 1:23:04 PM PST by Free Vulcan (Don't think I can vote for you John, I'm feelin' like a maverick.)
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The communists understood that Cronkite spoke for official Washington. In their darkest hour, he gave them hope. They resolved to fight on.

While I loathe the antics of Cronkite, who is to blame for losing Vietnam? If Cronkite was the mouthpiece for the Johnson Administration and CIA Cronkite was merely the tool who relayed the message they wanted the North Vietnamese to hear.

4 posted on 02/26/2008 1:23:38 PM PST by Obadiah
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Why would the CIA want to lose in Vietnam and to oust Nixon?


5 posted on 02/26/2008 1:23:55 PM PST by Greg F (Do you want a guy named Hussein to fix your soul? Michelle Obama thinks you do.)
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Uncle Walter is a liberal Democrat who wore his political affilation on his sleeve. Along with NBC’s Huntley and Brinkley he helped perfect the image of young John Kennedy and foisted that phoney on the public.

Turning on the Vietnam War in the late sixties, Cronkite was later part of the media clique who refused to report the slaughter of America’s allies in the mid seventies.

Two million, maybe more dead as a result of the US pullout. Not news though. If the MSM doesn’t cover it, it must not be happening.


6 posted on 02/26/2008 1:24:05 PM PST by kjo
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the communist Tet Offensive of 1968. American and South Vietnamese forces had routed the enemy.... Cronkite reported the opposite. "We are mired in stalemate," he told Americans on February 27, 1968. America's only hope, said Cronkite, was to "negotiate, not as victors, but as an honorable people who... did the best they could". Cronkite's message reached Hanoi loud and clear. The communists understood that Cronkite spoke for official Washington. In their darkest hour, he gave them hope. They resolved to fight on.

And his young protege's spew out the same traitorous lies today regarding Iraq.

7 posted on 02/26/2008 1:24:46 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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My Father did 2 tours in Vietnam and tried to inform me of Cronkite’s disdain for America. I was 12, 13 at the time and thought my Dad was full of it. I know better now. Cronkite already has his 1st class, one way to hell. Enjoy you SOB!


11 posted on 02/26/2008 1:30:04 PM PST by albie
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So, the CIA was crap back then too. Considering the Plame disgrace, not much has changed.
14 posted on 02/26/2008 1:31:17 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Mike Huckabee: ‘I Majored In Miracles’)
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Vietnam is the case study in the illogic of the liberal left. Also in their immorality.

Nixon had them beat, the communists and the American left, and then there was the collapse of Watergate. But certainly Nixon showed how the left could be beaten through direct confrontation and condemnation.

16 posted on 02/26/2008 1:35:41 PM PST by Williams
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We have a DIA. The CIA has been proven useless and disloyal.

Time to disband it.

That, and redo the State Department.


28 posted on 02/26/2008 2:04:03 PM PST by exit82 (People get the government they deserve. And they are about to get it--in spades.)
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Thanks for the insight. ...very revealing.


30 posted on 02/26/2008 2:06:38 PM PST by TexasCajun
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I read this article and the last won you wrote. Where is the evidence that the CIA desired to lose the war in Vietnam? If there is any evidence to support this claim, please highlight it.

The only statement that is related to your claim in the most recent Vietnam article is this quote below.

“The CIA made a fateful choice. Rather than accept President Johnson’s decision, it resolved to stop him (regarding the Vietnam War).”

That appears to be your statement and assumption. Do you have any specific supporting evidence or rationale to make your claim. It’s a bold claim with no evidence in these two articles. If I’m mistaken I’ll be glad to read specific points.


36 posted on 02/26/2008 3:05:56 PM PST by rbmillerjr ("bigger government means constricting freedom"....................RWR)
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Image hosted by Photobucket.com there is a special place in hell reserved for that old bastard.
37 posted on 02/26/2008 3:24:35 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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“Another battle that lasted through and beyond Tet also deserves mention for what some perceived as a historical parallel. As James Griffiths, a veteran of the 11th Armored Cavalry, notes in his book “Vietnam Insights,” gloomy media depictions were not limited to the Saigon area but also occurred at the northern Marine base at Khe Sanh during Tet. Bob Young of ABC and Walter Cronkite of CBS linked the victorious general of Dien Bien Phu, Vo Nguyen Giap, to the siege at Khe Sanh, and Time put him on its cover. It was as if Giap’s presence would cause a Marine defeat at Khe Sanh to be a foregone conclusion. Newsweek jumped on the antiwar bandwag­on with its March 18, 1968, issue. Using the Khe Sanh ammo dump explosion as its cover, it failed to let readers know that the incident had occurred two months earlier, concluding, “Though the U.S. dilemma at Khe Sanh is particu­larly acute, it is not unique. It simply reflects in microcosm the entire U.S. military position in Vietnam. U.S. strategy up to this point has been a failure.””

http://www.11thcavnam.com/education/americanlegion.htm


38 posted on 02/26/2008 3:35:01 PM PST by polymuser (Those who believe in something eventually prevail over those who believe in nothing.)
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Cronkite. Never heard of him.


48 posted on 02/26/2008 4:16:49 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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Conkrite and Rather are two of a kind. It's hard to say which I hate the most. I guess I'd have to go with Conkrite but Rather would be only about ¼ point behind him.
IMHO
50 posted on 02/26/2008 4:26:10 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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Cronkite, historically, waited until everyone else already thought the war was going badly. To have his say what everyone else had already said and then call it a CIA plot seems a touch questionable.


61 posted on 02/27/2008 7:36:16 AM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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http://www.amazon.com/Alibi-Club-Francine-Mathews/dp/055380331X


64 posted on 02/27/2008 9:38:28 AM PST by PurpleMan
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Please add me to your ping list.


65 posted on 02/27/2008 9:48:40 AM PST by GOPJ (Do the editors of the L.A. Times realize that illegal immigration is, you know, illegal? Patterico)
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To: PhilDragoo; Czar; 1COUNTER-MORTER-68
Have you seen this article yet? (And see Phil's post #56; excerpts from a 2006 (?) lawsuit against the NY Times for leaking information on national security....and "John and Jane Does 1 through 20 included among them agents and/or employees of the United States".)

...North Vietnamese Colonel Bui Tin later wrote in his memoirs:

"Our losses were staggering and a complete surprise. ... Our forces in the South were nearly wiped out by all the fighting in 1968. It took us until 1971 to re-establish our presence..."

Cronkite reported the opposite. "We are mired in stalemate," he told Americans on February 27, 1968. America's only hope, said Cronkite, was to "negotiate, not as victors, but as an honorable people who... did the best they could".

Cronkite's message reached Hanoi loud and clear. The communists understood that Cronkite spoke for official Washington. In their darkest hour, he gave them hope. They resolved to fight on....


76 posted on 02/27/2008 6:37:29 PM PST by nicmarlo (A vote for McRino is a false mandate for McShamnesty)
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