Honolulu PD, NRA Square Off On Rifle Debate

KITV-4 (Hawaii) ^ | 2/22/08 | n/a

[DoughtyOne]

Leave my hybrid out of this. LOL

That was a good post and I appreciate your invite to SoldierDad.

You know, there are times when I make a comment about a subject without thinking it out. It doesn’t mean that I’m totally ignorant on the subject, it just means I didn’t put my thinking cap on, and as soon as someone responded I realize how off base I was.

I think SoldierDad falls in that category, rather than not understanding the issue at all.

Thanks for the good post.

[The KG9 Kid]

I am sure you're one of the good guys, SoldierDad. I bet else everyone else understands too.

We all need time to renew our belief systems from time to time.

[OKSooner]

Full Auto shoot near Little Rock? Please put me on the ping list.

[PapaBear3625]

If you take that out to the end of the logic trail, you would have to be able to arm the F22 with the same munitions the government would be able to arm it with.

I tend to take the position that any weapon that any "law enforcement" agency has available for use (including SWAT and federal agents), should also be available to civilians. Conversely, no weapon that is banned for civilian use should be available to law enforcement

Perhaps that would slow down the creeping militarization of our police forces.

[from occupied ga]

My estimate? I never thought of it all that quantitatively before, but I’ve been to local machine gun shoots where there were at least a dozen Ma deuces (ground mount, but I know at least two of them have AA mounts for the things). I do know that there are about 300,000 autos registered, and I GUESSING that about 10% are .50s

[ctdonath2]

Correction noted.
Be aware that mistakes travel faster & farther than corrections.

[DoughtyOne]

I agree, and if for no other reason than to see good rebuttals to SoldierDad’s post, I think it actually spurred a lot of good discussion, all be it at his expense.

I’m thinking SoldierDad sucked us in here, but I could be wrong. ;-)

[MileHi]

I’m having a bad start to this week. I respectfully recant all of what I stated.

I repectfully meant no foul by my replies.

FReegards

[MileHi]

Martin Heemeyer had one in his self made tank, but never fired it. Albert Petrosky had one in his truck, but didn't kill that cop with it.

I recall both of those CO stories.

[MileHi]

Stop It! Catch up.

[EdReform]

Recommended reading: Boston's Gun Bible. It certainly opened my eyes!

[DoughtyOne]

I understand where you are coming from. And I agree with you. I do think it is somewhat questionable to make some comments in an open forum, because when the other side comes through looking for something to take out of context, it can feed their efforts.

I have done it on this thread, so I’m not trying to take you to task for something I’m not as guilty of as you are.

It’s a somewhat frustrating subject to discuss if you catch my drift.

The whole concept that government or the police could do something wrong is so foreign to some people.

Generally I am very supportive of law enforcement. Then there are times when I think you have to address what down sides there can be, which is what you and I were doing on this thread.

Thanks for your comments.

[PapaBear3625]

Here's where I'm coming from:

1. The reason the police have arms is to deal with violent criminals.
2. I also may be in a position where I have to protect my family from violent criminals, and thus have a legitimate need for arms that are effective against criminals
3. The fact that a law enforcement organization has a particular type of weapon should be considered to reflect their opinion that this type of weapon has a legitimate use against criminals
4. Therefore, I have legitimate cause to hold that I should have equivalent access to that weapon
5. If they assert that "this is a weapon of war", then that assertion should bar police from having such, since they should not be considering themselves at war in America

[monkeycard]

The National Guard calls the weapon a threat to homeland security.

No, this weapon strengthens homeland security.

[DoughtyOne]

That was very well stated, and I fully agree. Thank you.

[monkeycard]

I laugh in your face, idiot!

[EdReform]

See replies 208 and 218 above.

[MacDorcha]

How’s the kid doin’ anyway?

(Yes, we’re glad you saw the light!)

[Emperor Palpatine]

A bullet that could do that would make the Warren Commission proud.

[MacDorcha]

What do ya say admin? Can we strike this blemish from this FReeper’s name so that he does not continue to get flamed?