Posted on 02/24/2008 4:18:12 PM PST by no nau
byno ==
I can prove there is a GOD.
Science uses faith.
It presumes that the laws of nature are consistent and going to remain the same because of precedent.
It presumes the current interpretation of the geologic evidence is correct.
It presumes the scientific method will be able to be applied and is applied correctly when scientists run experiments.
It presumes that the peer review process works.
The thread earlier today about dark matter demonstrates that science works on faith when they state things like this: The theory, published in the journal Physical Review Letters, depends on particles that astronomers can't see, but are certain exist, and physicists have never detected. But the indirect evidence for their existence is overwhelming.
Forces can't be seen, felt, or sometimes even measured. They are believed to exist because of the behavior of other objects they are working on. It's circumstantial evidence that points to their existence.
It takes faith to believe that the universe came into being without any outside cause. There's no evidence to support that.
Completely wrong! Christianity is real. It is a real religion. The only thing you base your faith in is Yeshua. Is He who he said he claims to be? Different from evolution, people actually witnessed real events and had relationships with real people in biblical times and then wrote about it afterwards. Evolutionist on the other hand have to have much more faith that there guesstamation is somehow correct and even then they can't adaquately explain from where life originated logically.
Part of the problem is that people tend to try to prove science through the Bible. The Bible is not intented as a scientific document. For one thing, it was written in Hebrew and Greek—the translators have had a difficult time in correctly interpreting some parts of it. For example, what was the light that was refered to in Genesis 1:3
And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. But the sun was not created until the 4th day:
Ge 1:16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. u He also made the stars. I believe that the light he refered to on the first day was His Shikinha Glory—Rabbi’s say that you could see from one end of the earth to the earth by this light. I am saying that as a professional Geologist, I have no problem reconciling the Word of G-d with Science. A point of proof might be the First Law of Thermodynamics: energy cannot be created from nothing. So at some point the universe was created.
Does that make what he’s said here untrue?
We do all have the same evidence; it is interpreted based on our presumptions.
No problem. Creationists just make stuff up. That’s why they’re called creationists.
Never said there wasn't. My degrees are in science.
ML/NJ
No, if you are a scientist as I am, then you know that a lot of science is based on faith, but with a different data set.
PFLR
If you take the words Evolution, Atheism, God, Creation, etc. out of this article, he has written what most critical thinking textbooks state in the first couple chapters.
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Science is based on facts, that are then put into a theories, and the scientist has faith that he guess is right.
For example, evolution from species to species, is based on observed evolution, or changes with in a species.
Then on faith in a theory, a scientist says that evolution happens between species, even though we have not seen it, nor observed it.
“But it’s hard to talk with someone in denial.”
I’m in Chicago.
Give it up.
All can be said this way about religion; for those who believe an explanation is not necessary, for those who disbelieve an explanation is impossible.
Learn from Proverbs 26:4...Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. In modern terms, if you take the decision to argue with a fool soon others will not be able to tell which of you is the fool.
I would rather live my life with faith there is a God, and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is.
"Faith is different from proof; the latter is human, the former is a Gift from God." -- Blaise Pascal
My mother pointed out to me at a young age that man had a finite, or limited mind, as opposed to the infinite mind of our creator. We will never understand his realm, no matter what the “proof”, or the IQ of the inquisitor.
You want random, look in a dumpster. Our creator designed our world of beauty. I don’t know what other “proof” is required. Have faith!
I’m Irish and Catholic so I know the answers to this one. I don’t need to discuss or debate someone’s lack of faith with them. It’s them that don’t know. I already know.
Colossians 1:16
I suggest you google the text “Case for Creation” there is allot of stuff written on the matter and books available. Expecting one of Freepers who believe in Creation to come up with the perfect answer is asking too much. And these type of theological questions always invites comments from those who think God and creation is nothing but a fairy tale. Yes, even here on FR where you would expect almost all to be believers in a Creator, you will find a few who just can’t believe.
"Nothing exists.
If something does exist, its nature is ultimately infinite and can not be understood.
Assuming something to exist, and that it could be understood, you could never explain it to someone else: there simply aren't enough words."
I can never remember which text it was from...possibly the Tattvarthadhigama Sutra.
And with science there is plenty of dogma to go around as well...
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