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Speaking of Rick Santorum and for that matter George Allen, both men could have been strong Presidential candidates had they survived their electoral challenges in 2006. Both 50-something moderate conservatives with support on the Christian Right, either one could have positioned themselves as Mitt Romney tried to as a conservative strong on defense, economic freedom, and social issues, but without the past liberal baggage. Knocking Santorum and Allen out were top Democratic priorities, and they succeeded in both cases, interestingly running a moderate appearing opponent.

The media has practiced successful devide-and-conquer tactics on us for years now.

In 2006, a decent conservative santorum was trashed by 'conservatives' for the crime of endorsing the incumbent Republican colleague of his. I spent (wasted?) time on dozens of threads defending this good conservative from freepers like "BadRay" who bashed Santorum constantly ... I only found out checking just now that BadRay now has - "This account has been banned or suspended."

in 2006, people on FR, instead of seeing the media-bash-fest as an attack on US, joined in the 'fun' of bashing good conservative George Allen, blaming him for his troubles. MeanDog and others joined in the fun, thinking Jim Webb would be swell (yeah, swell enough to make defeat-monger Harry Reid majority leader).

That cost us an excellent conservative Republican in a close race.

In 2007, I saw in Mitt Romney an extremely accomplished man, a good class-act, smart guy, running on Reaganesque themes. what did he get for his trouble? People bashing his religion, his character, using hyperbole and irrelevent cr*p to drag him down. It would be one thing if there was a super duper conservative alternative besides him but - the cupboard was bare. Fred got no zoom, no help from media, etc.

That cost us the best Republican nominee we could have fielded this year, a man who could go toe to toe with Obama in any debate and slam-dunk beat him.

Each step of the way to this disaster, conservatives had a choice - focus on UNIFYING and WINNING or focus on division, harping and negativity, fed by a media and liberals driving these divisions. What did too many pick? The divisions, the negativity, the bashing of Republicans for being imperfect while not keeping in perspective the real alternatives. I am sick and tired of 'suicide conservatives' playing into the media hands!

And now we have this ... "The party is likely to field its weakest candidate in memory, John McCain. If Obama turns out to be the Democratic nominee, it will be hard to motivate people to the extent they would be motivated against Hillary, whom even many Democrats loathe." ... I'm sorry but I am sick and tired of the defeatism and negativity and bashing and downright basic LACK IF DESIRE TO WIN.

Freepers, why are you/we here? Why do you even give a cr*p about politics? Do you want to lose so it can give you a right to complain? I doubt it. then why? I bet if you reached down inside and asked yourself you'd realize you care out of patriotism, you have strong opinions about what is right, and you want to see the right things to happen.

Well, I feel that way too. I believe in America, in freedom, and in limited Government and I want our govt to reflect that. I don't want socialism or the rot of multi-culti moral relativism, etc. Well ... we have a stark choice here.

One choice is mostly-okay (life, GWOT, judges, spending) with some bad spots (immigration) - McCain.

The other choice is outright dangerous on all levels - Obama.

What is the media's agenda, as of last week? TEAR MCCAIN DOWN! That's what the NYTimes piece is all about - a signal that 'open season' will begin. Something embargoed while the liberal media worked to get the more conservative candidates out of the way - and suicide conservatives helped them do that. ... and what will suicide conservatives do now? Help the media?

I hope not. we need to keep our eye on the prize - the left-liberals want the white house and we need to keep it out of their hands for a while so we as conservatives can move the political ground back out way.

"If the allegations about Obama engaging in drug use and sodomy in 1999 are as groundless they are dont even go there as those claiming McCain had an affair with a lobbyist in the early 2000s, and there is little other dirt out there, he will be hard to beat."

we will defeat Obama on one basic issues - HE IS TOO EXTREME . HE IS A LIBERAL EXTREMIST WITH NO ACCOMPLISHMENTS FOR AMERICA. The most liberal senator, with absolutely NO record of accomplishment at a time when Bush is lowest in the polls, is still under 50% versus McCain.

CONSERVATIVES WILL MAKE THE DIFFERENCE! Either we rally to McCain or the far-left will have the biggest victory in American history. Never before has a Ted Kennedy-type liberal won a presidential race so openly.

I believe Obama is a Marxist and would withdraw U.S. forces unless under a UN or NATO banner, but he will not show his true colors until January 21, 2009.

The leftist agenda of Obama has been shown but only to discerning voters. It will be up to us to expose this and spread this or, yes, Obama will win.

The Obama v McCain choice is not much different from the choices in the past - Ford v Carter, GHWBush v Dukakis, Dole v Clinton, GWBush v Kerry.

Only this time, the least experienced and most liberal candidate in history is the pick of the Democrats. In this year, the most dangerous man, due in part to his cult-like following and his rhetorical pull on young voters, is their nominee. He is a bad dangerous choice for America, but will make leftism more popular than ever.

If we don't oppose him, a Tsunami of left-liberalism will wash over America in the coming decade. We wont recognize the country by the time he's done.