Posted on 02/22/2008 5:48:40 AM PST by Kaslin
I agree that the GOP seems hardly a conservative party. But sadly, if they were to become truly and only conservative, they would never win elections. The unfortunate reality is, most of America is not truly conservative. Many lie on the spectrum somewhere around the middle, and far too many are far to the left.
While I am perturbed that they seem to think we should just shut up and vote for the "R", I find it unlikely that they are going to change.
Well, some members of the 'religious right' do that. Certainly not all.
Yes, I know, and you’d have to go back thru the numerous comments go understand that I’m pointing out a rift in perception.
By creating a backlash against liberalism that will almost certain result in Republicans taking back Congress with the next four years and, potentially, paving the way for a conservative President by 2013?
When are you going to learn voting for Republicans that aren't conservative actually can cause more harm than having a Democrat in office.
This lesser-of-two-liberals strategy has failed ad naseum with Arnold Schwarzenegger being the latest nightmare example.
All but maybe McCain claim to be and none of them are.
I define a troll as someone that encouraged conservatives to vote for Arnold Schwarzenegger. How has that worked out?
Yet, we have idiot conservatives out voting for Obama and helping the Democrats avoid being stuck with Hillary.
Okay. I'll explain it to you. With a Democrat in the White House, the Republicans are all but guaranteed to take back Congress. With McCain in the White House, Republicans likely won't win back Congress for at least a decade.
With a Democrat in the White House, there is a chance at a conservative President by 2013. With McCain in the White House, there isn't a chance for one until 2017.
The reality is the Clinton years were far better for conservatives than Nixon years. McCain is a return to the Nixon years.
Did God want Hitler in power? Or Saddam?
God allows freewill and it's the freewill decisions by mankind that put politicians in office in a democratic form of government.
No. But, God allows freewill and evil in the world. So, men that God doesn't want in power often get there.
He voted for Alito and Roberts but was part of the gang-of-14 group that opposed conservative judges.
McCain is pro-life but supports embryonic stem cell research and stated back in 1999 that he didn't think Roe should be overturned.
Do you see the problem here?
NASB Romans 9:17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE I RAISED YOU UP, TO DEMONSTRATE MY POWER IN YOU, AND THAT MY NAME MIGHT BE PROCLAIMED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE EARTH."
We have literally hundreds of fantastic conservative elected officials who are proud Republicans at the national level and in the 50 states. Most conservatives are Republicans and most Republicans are conservatives.
we conservatives need to show more confidence and recognize that the non-conservatives cannot run us out of the party nor can they control, if *we* stick together and stand up under a unifying conservative banner.
This should not be about what we are against, this should be about - what are we FOR.
Unify around that set of principles:
- lower taxes
- judicial conservative judges
- secure the border, enforce immigration law
- less spending and regulation
- protect life, born and unborn
- protect American sovereignty from depradations by UN, global warming treaties, ICC etc.
- etc.
We can get 90% of Republican officeholders to support on 90% of this.
Over and out.
“How is electing McCain for president in tune with conservative principles?”
“Before you answer, understand that his party affilition is irrelavant.”
Party affiliation aside, McCain is distinctly more conservative than Obama.
- On Judges (McCain for Alito/Roberts, obama against),
- on gun control (Obama for DC handgun ban, McCain not),
- on abortion (Obama extremist pro-abort, McCain prolife),
- on taxes (obama for tax hikes and ending bush tax cut rates, mcCain for lower corporate taxes and keeping bush tax cuts),
- on terrorism (Obama for withdrawal in Iraq, mccain not, mccain saying to veto restrictive bill that Obama and Democrats put in place on treatment of prisoners),
- on gay rights (Obama wants gays to serve openly in the military)
- on border fence (Obama voted against bordre fence cloture vote that McCain was for)
- on spending (Obama promises a $1 trillion price tag new spending, McCain says no to new entitlements, no to pork, and an end to earmarks)
- healthcare, Obama wants mandates, McCain says no.
- Che: Obama is the candidate of Che-t-shirt-wearing left, McCain is the guy who was tortured by the Che-types in the Hanoi Hilton
In Mccain, you have a man who was ranked 43rd out of 100 on th e conservative scale last year (ACU rating), and lifetime rating on ACU scale is 80%. Obama was ranked the most liberal senator in the US Senate, so was ranked 100th out of 100. A RINO is closer to us than a leftist.
Any conservative who puts party aside and merely asks “Who is the best candidate for this country and who comes closest to representing my beliefs?” Will clearly choose McCain over Obama.
The only reason not to go this route is the too-smart-by-half attitude that somehow we have to ‘punish’ the GOP for the mistake of nominating a RINO instead of a good conservative. But who made this mistake? It was made by the GOP primary voters themselves when they gave more votes to mccain than any other candidate. So, by making Obama president we punish GOP primary voters by making us all suffer under what will be a horrible regime? Does that make sense? I dont think so. It makes far more sense by simply asking:
Who is the more conservative viable candidate.
well, I was for Romney, but many conservatives though *he* wasnt good enough. Others though Thompson wasnt good enough. I was in the “Hucks not good enough” camp. Because we never rallied around *one* *unifying* conservative - we lost.
If we split off into 3rd parties, sit-on-hands, etc. we will lose again. and again. and again.
Well we could have stuck with Grey Davis. How do you think that would have worked out? The governor is not the only politician in Sacramento. Arnold started out strong but he got steamrolled by the legislature. I think of him as a POW of the liberals.
“Repubs NEED conservatives to win and they know it. Parties want to win. Period. The Repub party can be dealt with.”
Yes it can be ... but in the primaries. We had several bad choices in the primary and few good ones. We ended up with one of the bad choices.
If this was any race other than president, we could afford to ‘throw the fight’, let the lib win, and refight in the next election.
But so much rides on the presidency for this country, that it is too great a sacrifice to America to let a left-liberal extreme junior senator become the CinC. That is so dangerous and wrong. Wrong on judges, wrong on Iraq, wrong on gays in military, wrong on taxes (will end bush tax cuts which could send us into recession), wrong on guns (likes DC handgun ban), wrong on spending (Promises literally trillions in new spending), wrong on regulation, etc.
“Because we do not embrace socialism like you and your cohorts, you now attempt to lay the blame on the coming destruction of the Republican Party on Conservatives... no sale... NO CONSERVATIVE alive will embrace what you are trying to define Conservatism as today.”
What are your top 3 things you want the president to do in the next 4 years?
How do you define it?
Instead of trying appropriate a label, why dont we simple talk about WHAT WE WANT TO GET DONE and ask ourselves who will and who will not do it?
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