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McCain: Bush Should Veto Torture Bill
AP via SFGate ^ | 2/20/8 | LIBBY QUAID, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 02/20/2008 1:55:25 PM PST by SmithL

Yellow Springs, Ohio (AP) -- Republican presidential candidate John McCain said President Bush should veto a measure that would bar the CIA from using waterboarding and other harsh interrogation methods on terror suspects.

McCain voted against the bill, which would restrict the CIA to using only the 19 interrogation techniques listed in the Army field manual.

His vote was controversial because the manual prohibits waterboarding — a simulated drowning technique that McCain also opposes — yet McCain doesn't want the CIA bound by the manual and its prohibitions.

McCain, who was tortured as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, is well-known for his opposition to waterboarding, which puts him at odds with the Bush administration.

"I knew I would be criticized for it," McCain told reporters Wednesday in Ohio. "I think I can show my record is clear. I said there should be additional techniques allowed to other agencies of government as long as they were not" torture.

"I was on the record as saying that they could use additional techniques as long as they were not cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment," McCain said. "So the vote was in keeping with my clear record of saying that they could have additional techniques, but those techniques could not violate" international rules against torture.

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TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 110th; bush; cia; mccain; veto; vetobait; waterboarding
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1 posted on 02/20/2008 1:55:26 PM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

‘I was against it before I was for it’. Maybe McCain should be waterboarded to find out what he really thinks.


2 posted on 02/20/2008 1:58:04 PM PST by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: SmithL

Interesting.

McCain voted right on this. And his distinction is correct.
We should take this as a step to the right?
Part of McCain’s 10-step recovery program from advanced RINOism? Reachout to conservatives?


3 posted on 02/20/2008 1:58:14 PM PST by WOSG (The 4-fold path to save America - Think right, act right, speak right, vote right!)
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To: ex-snook

“Maybe McCain should be waterboarded to find out what he really thinks.”

I think he has more personal understanding of this topic than any of the other 99 Senators.


4 posted on 02/20/2008 1:59:18 PM PST by WOSG (The 4-fold path to save America - Think right, act right, speak right, vote right!)
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To: ex-snook

There’s a lot more in this bill than waterboarding. McCain’s objection is to the limitation of only 19 types of interrogation being allowed.


5 posted on 02/20/2008 1:59:31 PM PST by squidly
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To: WOSG

He should be fitted for a bigger pair of flip flops than Kerry wares.


6 posted on 02/20/2008 1:59:49 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: SmithL

“They call him Flipper, Flipper....”


7 posted on 02/20/2008 2:01:32 PM PST by Grunthor (McCain voters believe that it's possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

The A.D.D public won;t have any time for Mccain’s nuance when they’ve got HOPE around the corner.

say goodnight.


8 posted on 02/20/2008 2:01:33 PM PST by wilco200
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To: SmithL

I wish GW could veto McCain.


9 posted on 02/20/2008 2:01:46 PM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: SmithL

Well at least McCain was right on this.


10 posted on 02/20/2008 2:05:54 PM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: WOSG

We should take this as McCain voting with a blindfold.

First he was against it, then he’s for it. I don’t think he’ll ever be able to make up his mind.


11 posted on 02/20/2008 2:05:57 PM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: SmithL
See, this is what why it will be difficult for McCain to win the election. He's swerved left so often that it will be difficult to distinguish himself from the true left-wing loons on the Dem side.

He sunk himself with his "maverick and independent" stance.

12 posted on 02/20/2008 2:06:29 PM PST by HoosierHawk
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To: SmithL

The specifics of CIA interrogations techniques should not be the subject of public conversations among public officials, it should not be covered in any public law, the fact that such interrogations might take place at all should not be discussed in public, period.

McCain helped to make this a political issue. Once you’ve let the horse out of the barn the best you can do is shut up. There is no horse. There is no barn. We don’t use technique “x” in our interrogations because the agency in question is a “secret” agency. Whatever it does is classified, and that theoretically means “secret”.

The last thing anyone needs is to have morons prattling on in public about intel tools and methods.


13 posted on 02/20/2008 2:07:07 PM PST by marron
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To: WOSG

Comparing something that physically limits you to something that may last half an hour is like comparing an apple to a moose.


14 posted on 02/20/2008 2:07:42 PM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: Resolute Conservative

Yellows Springs?!?!? That’s the Berkely of Ohio and home of Antioch College. I hope he made it to Young’s Dairy for some great ice cream.


15 posted on 02/20/2008 2:08:58 PM PST by Comparative Advantage
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To: SmithL
John needs to recuse himself from this. There is no way he can be objective and he's demonstrated this time and time again. Read this piece, posted earlier today: Waterboarding: The Ultimate Mind Game by James Zumwalt.

Does the United States torture indiscriminately? Do we do it just for fun and the amusement of the guards? Are the methods we use even torture? Consider Zumwalt's argument. No, John, it is NOT the same as what happened to you in Vietnam or what happened for 444 days in Iran. If you cannot see the difference then you are either understandably unobjective, should recognize that, and recuse yourself, or you are unfit to be Commander in Chief, responsible for the defense of this Nation.

16 posted on 02/20/2008 2:09:17 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Who Would Montgomery Brewster Choose?)
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To: NonValueAdded

Whoa! I did not detect the flip-flop. I guess McCain followed my advice in advance! Way to go, John.


17 posted on 02/20/2008 2:10:28 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Who Would Montgomery Brewster Choose?)
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To: SmithL

>>Yellow Springs, Ohio (AP) — Republican presidential candidate John McCain said President Bush should veto a measure that would bar the CIA from using waterboarding and other harsh interrogation methods on terror suspects.<<

WTF? Surely even people who disagree with McCain about having torture be legal have to notice this is a flip flop.


18 posted on 02/20/2008 2:10:28 PM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: SmithL
The word I have a problem with in McCain's rhetoric is "degrading". Interrogation techniques that are "degrading" should not be prohibited.

Heck, being handcuffed and put in the back of a patrol car is degrading. Shall we prohibit that horrible treatment?

19 posted on 02/20/2008 2:11:19 PM PST by TChris ("if somebody agrees with me 70% of the time, rather than 100%, that doesn’t make him my enemy." -RR)
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To: marron

Totally agree. How the heck did photos from inside a military prison get out into public view ? Try taking a camera in a US state prison...


20 posted on 02/20/2008 2:11:31 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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