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Northern Illinois University Shooting Revives Horrible Idea: Guns on Campus
North Star Writers Group ^ | February 18, 2008 | Lucia Bill

Posted on 02/18/2008 6:01:47 AM PST by Invisigoth

On the morning following the shootings at Virginia Tech last April, several Korean students missed class here at Arizona State University. We were up together until early morning going over statistical regression, so there had to be another reason that they were missing out on finals review. It turned out that they were afraid to come to class fearing retaliation from students stricken with grief and anger. While we assured our friends there was absolutely nothing to worry about, today – with two university shootings and 12 states considering allowing concealed weapons on school campuses, that may no longer be the case.

Proponents of these measures in Arizona and states as diverse as Washington and Alabama are quick to point to incidents like the tragic events at Northern Illinois University that left six people, including the shooter, dead as proof that weapons on school grounds are necessary. Some, Arizona among them, are extending that right past the gates of institutions of higher learning and to all public schools – elementary, middle and high schools.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; campuses; gunfreezone; guns; niu; niushooting; virginiatech
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1 posted on 02/18/2008 6:01:51 AM PST by Invisigoth
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To: Invisigoth
While we assured our friends there was absolutely nothing to worry about, today – with two university shootings and 12 states considering allowing concealed weapons on school campuses, that may no longer be the case.

Those darn guns turn honest law-abiding citizens into cold-blooded killers. Who knew?

2 posted on 02/18/2008 6:04:36 AM PST by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: Invisigoth
Let's see ~ massacres by madmen on campuses where guns are allowed ~ ZERO, and massacres by madmen on campuses where guns are prohibited ~ TWO.

The proper policy certainly seems clear to me ~

I'm definitely getting the idea that some of these "newsies" want to make campuses safe for mass murderers so they can do interviews with victims' friends and relatives and take pictures of bodies under sheets.

3 posted on 02/18/2008 6:04:51 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Invisigoth

In each case where some nutjob starts a masacre if the populace had been able to defend themselves the toll wouldn’t have been nearly what it was.
Remember the Lubbys restaurant in Texas where the guy went around the place killing? Same at Va. Tech. and here too.
But hey the police will protect ya? Not so, it takes time for cops to get to the scene and even then they are usually trepid in rushing the scene. Where an armed citizen in place already will take action. You’d be amazed what you are capeable of if cornered.
I care to be armed in case of crazy nutjobs as well as armed against an over reaching govt.


4 posted on 02/18/2008 6:07:46 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Invisigoth

Yes, because that no-gun allowed policy really did the trick!


5 posted on 02/18/2008 6:08:09 AM PST by Southerngl
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To: Invisigoth
Bill to Allow Guns on Campus

by Associated Press

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - Some university officials are concerned about a state senator's proposed legislation that would allow some college students to carry guns for self-protection on campus.

GOP State Senator Hank Erwin of Montevallo has offered the bill for the legislative session starting February 5th. Under his proposal, students would have to meet several conditions, including being enrolled in an ROTC military training program, having no felony or misdemeanor convictions, and completing a gun skills course.

Jacksonville State University President William Meehan told the New York Times Regional Newspapers that he opposes the bill.
Auburn spokeswoman Deedie Dowdle said the idea probably wouldn't go over well with parents or campus security officials.

Kellee Reinhart, spokeswoman for the University of Alabama System, said officials have not studied the bill and she declined comment.
Erwin said arming students could help in situations like the April mass-shooting at Virginia Tech. He introduced similar legislation late in the 2007 legislative session - it died in a Senate committee.

A spokeswoman for Governor Bob Riley said he has not read the bill and had no comment.

Do you think lawmakers should pass a bill that would allow college students to carry a gun on campus?
Total Votes: 831
Yes
61% (508)
No
37% (310)
Not Sure
2% (13)

6 posted on 02/18/2008 6:08:13 AM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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...It turned out that they were afraid to come to class fearing retaliation from students stricken with grief and anger.

Afraid they'd be blamed for something that happened clear acros the country??? Sounds like a bunch fo liberal panty-wastes. 'Course, they could have put aside that fear of they kept a gun on them.

7 posted on 02/18/2008 6:08:52 AM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: Invisigoth

Yes, guns for protection is OH SO MUCH more horrible than the massacre of dozenes of un-armed innocent people


8 posted on 02/18/2008 6:10:13 AM PST by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: Invisigoth

This author, appears to enjoy seeing people die. While a Hero, in a church in Colorado, stopped a killer with her firearm. This author would rather people die at the killer’s hand rather than a Hero stop the killing. Yes, this author truly believes, death at the hands of a mad, raving lunatic is preferred over stopping the deaths of innocent. Must be a democrat!


9 posted on 02/18/2008 6:14:48 AM PST by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk.)
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To: Invisigoth
I almost bought a small handgun to keep in my bag and take to class after VA tech. But the semester was almost over and I wouldn’t have a class again for maybe several years.

The only time I would have used it is in a life/death situation. I didn’t care about the gun grabber rules that wanted me to die on my knees at the hands of some wacko.

10 posted on 02/18/2008 6:15:38 AM PST by varyouga ("Rove is some mysterious God of politics & mind control" - DU 10-24-06)
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I almost bought a small handgun to keep in my bag and take to class after VA tech. But the semester was almost over and I wouldn’t have a class again for maybe several years.

Campus is hardly the most dangerous place you go in life. Why not get the gun anyway?

11 posted on 02/18/2008 6:17:45 AM PST by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: Invisigoth

The obvious answer to these campus and high school shootings is to incarcerate known violent types and keep them on the appropriate drug treatments.

In a brilliant move some years back all of the mental hospitals were emptied “because inmates could be properly treated on the outside.” It doesn’t work - pure and simple.


12 posted on 02/18/2008 6:22:37 AM PST by hgro (Jerry Riversd)
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One again the students just sit there because they have been raised in pacifist public schools. Remember last week when the guy went in and shot up a city council? One of the councilors stopped him by throwing chairs at him. Don’t they have chairs and desks in classrooms anymore?


13 posted on 02/18/2008 6:26:23 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Invisigoth
"Gun owners don’t like relying on others to protect them and feel the need to count on their own skill – not the rationality and goodwill of their fellow man."

Who is the rational and goodwill fellow man?
14 posted on 02/18/2008 6:33:28 AM PST by SeeSalt
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To: blam
GOP State Senator Hank Erwin of Montevallo has offered the bill for the legislative session starting February 5th. Under his proposal, students would have to meet several conditions, including being enrolled in an ROTC military training program, having no felony or misdemeanor convictions, and completing a gun skills course.

Jacksonville State University President William Meehan told the New York Times Regional Newspapers that he opposes the bill.

I ‘am with you Bill.

Sense when are Constitutional Rights reserved to those enrolled in a “military training program”

15 posted on 02/18/2008 6:37:54 AM PST by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: Invisigoth

Newsflash Lucia,

I have deduced from evidence at Virginia Tech and Nothern Illinois that there already are guns on campus. The problem is that the wrong people have them...


16 posted on 02/18/2008 6:49:53 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Invisigoth

The last two shootings indicates that there are already guns on campuses - carried by people who break laws or rules. There are no guns on campuses carried by non-criminal citizens. Apparently this is the preferred situation, according to the author of this article.


17 posted on 02/18/2008 6:50:24 AM PST by coloradan (The US is becoming a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Invisigoth

Lets ban liberals from the campus instead.


18 posted on 02/18/2008 6:59:26 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: Joe Boucher

In the shooting at Luby’s in TX, when the police finally “got there”, they were at the wrong place. This is according to Suzanna Hupp, former TX State Representative, who was there and watched as both of her parents were executed in cold blood.


19 posted on 02/18/2008 6:59:50 AM PST by basil (Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: Invisigoth

Even if you assume that allowing the law abiding, non crazy members of the student body to carry couldn’t possibly have any deterrent or remedial benefit (which everything says it would), how could it be any worse than the situation as it exists today?


20 posted on 02/18/2008 7:21:27 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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