Posted on 02/16/2008 1:49:07 PM PST by Witch-king of Angmar
......is when the choice is impossible, when there is no right answer that the truth is revealed.......
We are in that process now. For many here the choce is impossible. To temper impossible it seems courageous to do nothing.
The truth will be revealed as making a courageous decision and deciding to oppose the evil that is liberalism. Voting against liberalism is not evil. It can be idealistic. It is by definition conservative.
OK, I understand that. As long as you understand that you’ve already voted - twice - to support what you term amnesty. By voting for the Republicans and the GOP platform in 2000 and 2004.
And I assume you voted for President Reagan as well, who did implement amnesty? If so, you’ve got a 20+ year track record of supporting amnesty. Welcome to the John McCain club.
Think long and hard about the reasons for your position. Think long and hard about where your hate for McCain really comes from. Go and investigate the actual issues you’re upset about.
Then go and investigate what the alternative positions are that the Democrats hold.
And then sit down and decide which will be better for the country. Don’t just take a pundit’s screed for the truth - look at the real positions of both sides. Then make your decision about which is better for the country.
Because the reality is, you really only have those two positions to accept; there isn’t a realistic 3rd option.
exactly... and this is why i have decided to vote for McCain... who was the one man i thought i could never vote for...
Does that mean you'd vote for Jane Fonda if she managed to get herself nominated by the RNC? I mean, I like elephants too but I don't worship them like a Hindu does.
There, fixed it.
If McCain does get in, which I don't think is possible - there will be no opposition for him & he will be able to do quite a bit of damage himself. I'm not looking forward to a democrat President, but it looks like thats what we're going to get - so we better make sure we have some people in there to give them a hard time. We have got to make sure that this doesn't happen to us again.
George Bush has left our party in shambles - that is what happens when you vote for the "lesser of two evils". It will be worse with McCain as President. We have to start thinking a couple of moves ahead because we have pooped in our nest this time around. Let's hope we learn from it for the next time.
And yes, President Clinton or Obama will do great damage to our country - we really have our work cut out for us. We need to start planning for the next election now.
“And voting for whom?”
Any conservative I can find downticket. I will likely work for Dino Rossi again this year, as I did in the last race.
“McCain is a mere rino and has not betrayed the troops to me.”
So to you the only consideration at all in this election is the war in Iraq?
Zealotry is utter foolishness!!
First, thge GOP platform did not call for amnesty or offering illegal alliens a path to citizenship. I suggest you read it again.
I have read both the 2006 Senate amnesty bill and the the 2007 McCain-Kennedy bill. They are actually more generous than the Reagan amnesty. If you read the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, you will see that amnesty was not automatic. Unlike McCain-Kennedy, which issued Z visas to everyone who was in the country since prior to January 1, 2007, the 1986 bill required that those applying for amnesty had to be here prior to Jan 1, 1982, i.e., five years. The bill also had plenty of employer sanctions, required the applicants to learn English, etc. In fact, there is some language that is identical to the wording in the McCain-Kennedy bill.
The cut and paste comes from documents I have written and distributed on the Hill and elsewhere. I am an immigration activist. From what you have written, you don't know what you are talking about. You need to become better informed about the issue.
Amnesty was never part of the GOP platform. Again, I suggest you read them again, the source documents, and show me specifically where amnesty was recommended as a policy.
A lot of use served through Carter and survived.
“WHAT IS YOUR ALTERNATIVE TO VOTING FOR JOHN MCCAIN IN NOVEMBER THAT IS BETTER THAN HAVING THE DEMOCRATS WIN?”
We need to think “big picture”. If McCain wins, he will generate a bigger anti-Republican backlash than Bush has. 2010 will be a congressional home run for the Dems. 2012 will be an easy Dem win for the White House which ensures 4 to 8 years of a veto-proof Democrat controlled Beltway.
A Hillary win will have the opposite effect. It’ll be ‘94 all over again, only she is so volatile that she will likely be a one term president, opening the doorway for the pendulum to swing back to the right in 2012, with a veto-proof GOP Beltway.
The wild card is of course the Supremes, but the fact remains that McCain would be a short term victory, and we can’t rely on his Justice nominations anyway.
Bottom line: McCain only pushes the pendulum further to the left. Hillary stands a good chance of swinging it to the right. The biggest fear is Obama, but I have enough faith in the Dem’s filthy back room political machine to dispense with him, i.e. Superdelegates.
Personally, I’ll likely write in Keyes or Buchanan or the like, but there ain’t no way I’m voting for McCain.
LOL!!! Hang on, you're getting one!!
OK, let’s assume everything you say is true... We need to start thinking a couple of moves ahead.
So that means start planning for the 2012 elections now. It’s pretty clear we can’t do anything about 2008 in terms of an alternative candidate or party.
And make no mistake, I am not a McCain supporter! I’m a FredHead, and I’d love to vote for a more conservative alternative - whether a different candidate OR different, viable party.
So how about leaving the least damaging option in the office this term? McCain is at least anti-tax, low-deficit, strong defense, pro-life. As opposed to the alternative presented by the Democrats.
Let’s be smart, not throw ourselves on the spears of the Democrats but live to fight and win another day.
Darth Vader: It is too late for me, son. The Emperor will show you the true nature of the Force. He is your master now.
Hate to say it, but when it's McCain we're talking about, Feder makes a plausible claim.
Yep, it's noteworthy that so many around here voted for Bush despite the fact that A) he made it quite clear he'd sign the Clinton gun ban renewal if it reached his desk, B) he fully supported (and continues to support) amnesty for illegals aliens, and C) he signed McCain-Feingold.......
But they'd never vote for McCain even though his stances are (often) identical.
I know the issue and have made a rational decision based on facts, not emotion. I understand that amnesty will destroy this country and I cannot be complicit by voting for McCain, Hillary, or Obama who hold the same position on the issue.
I spent four days each in SC and FL driving almost 2000 miles dogging the McCain campaign protesting amnesty. I have heard his stump speech many times. I know where he stands on the issues. I have stood in the rain and cold protesting McCain's amnesty. How could I possibly vote for him? If John McCain can vote on the basis of principle and conscience over party, why can't I?
This isn't personal as far as I am concerned. As a former naval officer and Vietnam veteran, I respect McCain's military service. It pains me to not vote for President for the first time in more than 45 years. But I just cannot vote for someone who supports a policy that will destroy the country. Once amnesty is passed, everything else is just rearranging the deck chairs on the Tinanic.
I am not trying to convince you or anyone else not to vote for McCain. It is a personal decision. I have made up my mind as have many of the people I met during this year's CPAC. It comes down to principle and conscience, let the chips fall where they may. Good luck to you.
The 2000 and 2004 platforms called for a way to let illegal aliens change their status WITHOUT leaving the country. The details weren’t spelled out, but I assume that would still be a general enough to be considered amnesty by you?
And thanks for the confirmation that the 1986 plan was similar to the McCain-Kennedy plan...
......Does that mean you’d vote for Jane Fonda.....
No of course not, but if you’ve read my thoughts on this thread you will recall I always rely on rational thought. No rational person would ever consider Hanoi jane (Ted Turner’s reject) as a Republican nominee.
The concept of Republican worship is also irrational. The issue is liberaiism. The nomination of John McCain now seems certain and like him or not, he is the only offense possible against liberalism.
I recall the 90’s and the FReeper more or less continuous actions protesting the Clintons. The DC Chapter owned the street (Pennsylvania Ave) every Saturday from 10:00 till 2:00. There were several rallies in which our displeasure was voiced. If Mc Cain goes off the deep end we can be there again. That of course requires more committment than forcing hot air through a keyboard.
No. people are tired of having prostituted themselves and their principles for the last eight years and, specifically, for the RINO in The Oval Office. Can you really blame them for finally saying "no" to empowering a highly dysfunctional, principle-less republican party?
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