"Yessirree,...What we have here, is a failure to communicate..."
Posted on 02/16/2008 11:40:12 AM PST by IssuesOriented
Jesus without all that silly salvation stuff.
Whole lot of people over there are going to open their eyes on a terrifying sight one of these days.
"Yessirree,...What we have here, is a failure to communicate..."
Horse manure.
NT: It doesn't go off-track. The Muslim reverence is very high for Jesus and Mary. This is the misunderstanding in the West especially in America.
LS: So, then, why in your mind do Muslims, in some places, kill Christians?
NT: Well, those are not Muslims. ...
Interesting, but doubtful.
Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord...
Was the “Gospel” of Barnabas one of the Gnostic Gospels?
“And those (Iranians) who do move to America, stay in America. “ Well, DUH!!
“It had a lot of sermons of Jesus that you do not see in the Bible; miracles, and at least a hundred references to the Prophet Mohammad, about his coming. It’s one of the biggest censorships of history. “ But it was only in one Gospel, right? Sad.
Mooselimbs are the original conspiracy theorists. Other than their false prophet’s Koran, they have no historical proof of this. Jesus and salvation made irrelevant, and in a “holey” book as well.
I don’t know much about it...
Let’s make a fact based movie about the life of mohammed. It will be XXX rated for extreme violence and perverted sex. No one will watch it.
** [In the Koran] God says, emphatically, he was not crucified. Somebody was crucified in his stead. In the Gospel of Barnabas, there are explications of this. The majority of [Muslims] say the one who betrayed Jesus [was crucified].**
That is the stupidest thing I have ever read. I can understand disbelief that Christ rose from the dead and the Virgin Birth. But the idea that the Romans is going to let Jesus go and crucify his betrayer? What is in it for them? How the hell is there going to be a public execution by death on the cross and nobody see that it wasn’t Christ on the cross? Then there is the Jews, does anyone think that the Jewish leadership in the years afterwards when Christian sects start to happen isn’t going to remind people that Jesus wasn’t crucified?
Yes. Islam could also be considered to be a variant of the Arian heresy which attempted to teach that Jesus was part of the created order and not really God's Word sent to us.
>>LS: And what did that say that was left out?
NT: It had a lot of sermons of Jesus that you do not see in the Bible; miracles, and at least a hundred references to the Prophet Mohammad, about his coming. It’s one of the biggest censorships of history. So, I thought somebody should say this, and then others might disagree, say, “Ahhh, this could not be! This is blasphemy!” But it’s OK this is the 21st century. It’s time for information. It’s time for communication. They can go check it out. <<
This is amazing to me.
I spend a lot of time over at Fanfic.net. People take movies and write their own stories with the characters from them. They can expound on them, carry the story past the movie (book or tv show as well) or take them in a different direction from those movies.
At first when I read this, I thought, “Okay, the Koran is just a Fanfic.”
But then I realized, there are rules to be followed. Over there, one cannot take the basic makeup of a character and change it. If a character is a murderer, he stays a murderer. At a later time, maybe years later, the person can change, but one cannot change the original work.
They need to read the rules. The Son of God is the Son of God, period.
I nominate that as the understatement of the year asward.
The first christian churches were built in the Greeco-Roman path of Paul. They might have been built in what was then part of the Persian empire, but were not built in IRan.
It is a very late document (known manuscripts are from 16th century,) and it contains a lot of anachronisms.
The Gospel is considered by the majority of academics (including Christians and some Muslims) to be late and pseudepigraphical - see here.
This particular anachronism may help us to date the writing:
There is reference to a jubilee which is to be held every hundred years (Chapter 82), rather than every fifty years as described in Leviticus: 25. This anachronism appears to link the Gospel of Barnabas to the declaration of a Holy Year in 1300 by Pope Boniface VIII; a Jubilee which he then decreed should be repeated every hundred years. In 1343 the interval between Holy Years was reduced by Pope Clement VI to fifty years.
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From the links in post 17, it looks like Barnabas was MUCH later than even the Gnostic "Gospels."
Thanks.
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