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To: meandog

What all of us have to decide is whether we love our country more than we hate McCain. I really, really dislike him, both for his backstabbing politics and his cozying up to Dems (and, of them, generally the most liberal).

However.

The next occupant of the Oval Office will either be him or Hillary or Obama. IMHO, as bad as he is likely to be, either of the other 2 will be an utter disaster.

I’m not buying either the “staying home/voting 3rd Party will send a message” or the “he’ll be just as bad as them” or the “we’ll win back the Congress in 2010 and the WH in 2012 because the Dem will be so bad” arguments. I foolishly bought into them in 1992, and look what we got-the Clintons, both of them, and not just for 4 years or even 8, but for the last 16 and quite possibly for 8 more.

I can’t sit by and allow that to happen - not again. It is one thing to dislike McCain, to prefer anyone (or almost anyone) to him...but it is quite another to be suffering from a bad case of MDS. Come on, we’re better than the kooks on the Left - AREN’T WE?


6 posted on 02/15/2008 10:10:45 AM PST by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation trying to stop Monica's Ex-Boyfriend's Wife from becoming President)
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To: Ancesthntr
Come on, we’re better than the kooks on the Left - AREN’T WE?

You mean better than the perrenially courted and never delivered to black caucus?

7 posted on 02/15/2008 10:14:56 AM PST by MortMan (Those who stand for nothing fall for anything. - Alexander Hamilton)
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To: Ancesthntr
What all of us have to decide is whether we love our country more than we hate McCain. I really, really dislike him, both for his backstabbing politics and his cozying up to Dems (and, of them, generally the most liberal).

That is exactly why we can not vote for McAmnesty.

He will grant Amnesty to 20-40 million+ Illegal Aliens who will vote Democrat by 65% or more and that coupled with the unfettered chain-migration (that will add millions more Democrat voters) that McAmnesty will not fight will give the Democrats an unbeatable electorate vote for decades to come. The spineless GOP members in the House and Senate will fall in line and will not buck their President.

This will utterly destroy MY country.

This will completely alienate conservatives and YOUR GOP will then be a mere shell of itself and WILL end up finally going the way of the WHIG party.

At least with a DEM President, the GOP will magically grow a spine and we have a better chance of gridlock and slowing down a whole host of evil things.
9 posted on 02/15/2008 10:16:41 AM PST by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: Ancesthntr

I don’t think the pinch-your-nose-and-vote strategy is a very good one. Our country was founded on principles and ever since then, power hungry people have slowly been eroding those principles. This country truly needs an over haul. McCain is not the man for the job. Obama is not. Hillary.....lol....yeah, ‘nough said. Nothing short of an over haul will fix this country. Voting for McCain might slow the destructive process by a little bit, but in the end, its all the same unless the American people get their heads’ out of their a$$es, grow some balls and realize that having Big Brother watching you isn’t such a great idea.

So, we can vote for McCain so Hitlery or Obama don’t get it, but is it really going to change anything? If America wants it, she doesn’t have to settle for the lesser of the evils.


13 posted on 02/15/2008 10:25:46 AM PST by Tiemieshooz
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To: Ancesthntr
either of the other 2 will be an utter disaster

But unlike McCain they carry the Democrat label which will take the hit for any disasters. If Hillary is their nominee we should send money to McCain to put up a fight. If it's Obama, McCain is on his own. The leftists believe the world will be one big happy place if the USA refuses to meet aggression with aggression. Let them test their hypothesis. It's the only way to prove them wrong and move on.

14 posted on 02/15/2008 10:27:19 AM PST by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: Ancesthntr

I think that I’ve read hundreds of your posts over the years (I lurked long before signing up) and I think that this is the first time that I’ve ever disagreed.

I admit that none of our options are good, but I don’t think that voting for the worst (so called) Republican is going to net us much more than the worst Dems.

Would you marry a woman who cheated on you constantly just because she promised that be ‘better’ if you marry her? Better doesn’t mean good.

I’d rather fight the known enemy than go along with a supposed friend with a history as bad as McCain’s.


19 posted on 02/15/2008 10:33:24 AM PST by Harvey105
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To: Ancesthntr
Come on, we’re better than the kooks on the Left - AREN’T WE?

Its a straw man argument. McCain will lose big time to hillary.

You want the conservatives to vote for him?
Some will, many will not.
Moderate GOP?
Whatever that is, maybe he has them.

Liberals and independents?
Split. Not enough difference to sway.

Anti Clinton crowd?
Many will do that. Some will not.

Broken glass Republicans? Forget it.
All out, knock down support and 24/7 GOTV effort and $$$ until it hurts?

Forget about it.

With all of the above, and better trends in some states, we barely won in 04.

51 posted on 02/15/2008 11:34:39 AM PST by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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