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To: curiosity; Elsie; sevenbak
The Mormon church doesn't take a position on whether abortion should be legal.

True.

It just takes the position that it is immoral and no member of the Church should have one.

Not true. [See below where LDS believe that it can be "moral" to abort if God says so, etc.]

Hence one can be a good Mormon and still be pro-abortion as a matter of policy...

True.

...so long as one is "personally" opposed to the practice, and counsels people not to have abortions.

Not true. [The LDS Church itself counsels folks that certain circumstances are "OK"...see below]

Allow me to re-post something I sent to an LDS poster a few weeks ago:

Poster said; A competent physician determines that the life or health of the mother is in serious jeopardy...

[What that ] doesn't tell you is that over 90% of all abortions today occur in free-standing abortion clinics "courtesy" of either local full-time abortionists or by circuit-riding abortionists who traverse between 2 or more communities in a region. The vast # of abortions are NOT done by part-time OB GYNS in hospitals or as an outpatient in a doc's office (not any more). So, in 90% of the cases--higher if the girl/woman/partner or her family really wants the abortion [cause, duh, they'll just take her to an abortionist, not their family doc]--that "competent physician" who will say she "needs" the abortion is a money-grubbing, bottom-feeder abortionist who gets paid by how high the body pile is stacked!

Poster said: A competent physician determines that the fetus has severe defects that will not allow the baby to survive beyond birth.

English translation into English: Since docs have been wrong thousands of times in "forecasting" disabilities, this statement should read, "A competent prophet-physician determines that the baby is disabled and can pinpoint their death day within usually 4-5 months..." [there, fixed it] Oh, and please note, just because this disabled boy or girl is going to die, why, that means they are now eligible for dismemberment with nothing given to the baby to offset the pain...Hmmm...aren't we all going to die??? Don't we ALL have a human condition that will mean we won't survive that disability we have called "sin?" And what does it say about a church when it targets a disabled child who's not causing any problems (under than emotional ones) for a 100% healthy mom?

Poster said: Abortion is a most serious matter and should be considered only after the persons involved have consulted with their local church leaders and feel through personal prayer that their decision is correct.

English translation into English: Since we don't want the Mom or Dad or Grandparents of the baby to actually accept any responsibility for what they are about to do, why, we'll make God the great culprit--a before-the-act accomplice who ordered the "hit" job...Yeah, that's it...Why, He told us to dismember the baby!!! Why, we prayed about it (and our church was fully encouraging that we do...[whisper: as if those who pray about murdering a baby or not don't already likely have a predisposition toward carrying it out end-whisper] )

So, in summary, what have we learned about the "god" of this "general" counsel? Well, he doesn't always> like severely disabled babies; or babies whose daddies were the sickest sinners (rapists & family rapists)...but he does bless abortionists & their business recommends...well, as long as they're "competent"...and be sure to note that I left in a caveat of this isn't "always" so because his ordering these hit jobs isn't "automatic"--why, sometimes, he just let's 'em live despite their disability or geneology!

269 posted on 02/15/2008 1:11:56 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
Look, I'm not Mormon, so I'm no expert on their position. I have no desire to defend a church I am not part of.
273 posted on 02/15/2008 1:43:22 PM PST by curiosity
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