[kabar]

So, despite the areas where we will lose ground with McCain (and immigration, the border, and global climate are chief amongst those), there are other equally critical areas IMHO where we can still hold high ground

Disagree strongly. "Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?" Amnesty will destroy this country as we know it. Once done, it cannot be undone. Why should I or anyone else be complicit in the destruction of the country by voting for McCain who holds the same position on this issue as Hillary and Obama? Amnesty is the Mother of all issues. It will not only destroy the country as we know it, but it will make the GOP the permanent minority party for those of you who place partisan politics over the survival of the country.

[Jeff Head]

We have proven that we can fight McCain on amnesty and win, although it will get harder with him as POTUS. But with Obama or Hillary and the super majorities they will bring in, we will have no chance in those areas.

In the mean time, with either of them, as I have said, the SCOTUS will be lost for another 30+ years, we will retreat from abject enemies who want to kill us now, and we will cede ground in other critical areas as well.

Obama and Hillary will also be even worse on immigration than McCain.

Sorry, I cannot cede the ground that we might hold simply because I am absolutely PO'ed (and I am) at McCain and his ilk.

Holding some ground is better than holding no ground. And with whatever ground we hold we can fight McCain just as we have done to date.

I understand the anger, the emotion, and the reasoning. I share it. But I will not allow it to give even more ground in the face of even worse cretans.