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International Study Challenges U.S. Findings on Diabetes
Washington Post ^ | February 13, 2008 | Rob Stein

Posted on 02/13/2008 8:00:54 PM PST by neverdem

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Diabetes Study Partially Halted After Deaths
1 posted on 02/13/2008 8:01:07 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

It’s hard to believe that there can be a healthy scientific debate after global warming.


2 posted on 02/13/2008 8:06:13 PM PST by sig226 (If we took the bones out it wouldn't be crunchy.)
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To: neverdem

Why even try to control diabetes? They’re all going to die from global warming anyway. /s


3 posted on 02/13/2008 8:07:49 PM PST by Secret Agent Man
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To: neverdem
No good can come from loading the body up with a drug substitute. It has to change something. Without the known cause of death in each case we little people will never know. A man who looks PG when on a gurney has a heart attack. He is alone and unable to get help. Same man drops in front of other person who gets help fast. You may or may not have a valid stat.
4 posted on 02/13/2008 8:22:13 PM PST by Domangart (editor and publisher)
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To: El Gato; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Robert A. Cook, PE; lepton; LadyDoc; jb6; tiamat; PGalt; Dianna; ...
I found these first two articles on fructose quite interesting.

Fructose, insulin resistance, and metabolic dyslipidemia

Consumption of high-fructose corn syrup in beverages may play a role in the epidemic of obesity1

Hurler regains sight after 'miracle' diet supplement (macular degeneration)

BREAKING: Study Shows Genentech and Biogen Drug Rituxan Works on Multiple Sclerosis

FReepmail me if you want on or off my health and science ping list or just the diabetes list.

5 posted on 02/13/2008 9:00:10 PM PST by neverdem (I have to hope for a brokered GOP Convention. It can't get any worse.)
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To: neverdem

Thanks ND - your timing is perfect (for me, anyway). I just started “Sugarbusters” a couple of days ago, and they do tell you that there’s sugar in almost everything (processed foods, for example). And that makes sense re: corn syrup, and our epidemic of obesity.


6 posted on 02/13/2008 9:09:42 PM PST by Joann37
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To: neverdem

So what it gets down to is that some people were right after all. Eating too much sugar can lead to diabetes. Maybe not for the reasons they thought, but...they look to be right.


7 posted on 02/13/2008 9:11:19 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: neverdem
Obesity does not cause Type II diabetes. Rather, you inherited it in your own personal genome. Selecting the wrong diet creates side effects that can kill.

Change your diet and the symptoms are alleviated.

My own thought on this study is that it simply proves that folks with the genes for Type II also have a different, and higher, normal level of blood sugar. That arises out of the fact they have to depend on their livers to make the stuff so that the brain can work. With no regular or reliable source of sugar/starch in their normal diet (reindeer, mountain goat, springbok, fish, muskox, or cattle), they'd be in a lot of trouble if this were not so.

Accordingly, pushing their blood sugar down to "normal" has gotta' be dangerous.

Shortly after I was diagnosed I began to test the blood sugar level of my closest relatives (parents, siblings, cousins, children) and lo and behold I never caught a single one with a reading of less than 90.

(110 is "normal" high two hours or more after eating and 70 is the "normal" base level).

Then I checked the inlaws, who have the same problem, and they also had no readings below 90, even if they had no symptoms.

I've talked to other diabetics and they've found pretty much the same thing. Not only is it difficult for them to get below 90 (or even 100), they have a lot of relatives who seem to have high "normal" readings.

Wonder what other FReepers have found lately ~ no doubt this study startled them into thinking about it.

8 posted on 02/13/2008 9:12:18 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: neverdem; IslandJeff
Diabetes Ping.

BTW Just got the A1c back and not bad considering the post holiday.
Alway just a tad over the non mode controlled by diet on this quarter of the year.

Also big news my Vitamin D level came back severely deficient which would be typical living in the Never see sunshine PNW and a nocturnal.

I read some interesting info that those deficient in Vitamin D show high A1C/BG tests.
Guess I will be taking naps on the deck out in the sun if it shows up this summer.

Been talking to others in the area and it is common in our area.

9 posted on 02/13/2008 9:15:55 PM PST by Global2010 (Election 2008 like playin Shoots and Ladders (ages 5 and up))
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To: neverdem
The article on fructose is symptomatic of an older body of thought on diabetes. The idea was that a single cause was at work and if it were found, and eliminated, folks could be "cured".

Recent research has identified several genes that are closely associated with diabetes. At the same time they are not widespread in the general population ~ 5% probably have these genes with some ethnotypes having a slightly higher percentage and others a slightly lower percentage.

There is NO EPIDEMIC ~ just too much good stuff to eat out there ~ that's what brings the problem to the attention of your doctor.

10 posted on 02/13/2008 9:17:13 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: neverdem
The article on fructose is symptomatic of an older body of thought on diabetes. The idea was that a single cause was at work and if it were found, and eliminated, folks could be "cured".

Recent research has identified several genes that are closely associated with diabetes. At the same time they are not widespread in the general population ~ 5% probably have these genes with some ethnotypes having a slightly higher percentage and others a slightly lower percentage.

There is NO EPIDEMIC ~ just too much good stuff to eat out there ~ that's what brings the problem to the attention of your doctor.

11 posted on 02/13/2008 9:17:49 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: neverdem
The article on fructose is symptomatic of an older body of thought on diabetes. The idea was that a single cause was at work and if it were found, and eliminated, folks could be "cured".

Recent research has identified several genes that are closely associated with diabetes. At the same time they are not widespread in the general population ~ 5% probably have these genes with some ethnotypes having a slightly higher percentage and others a slightly lower percentage.

There is NO EPIDEMIC ~ just too much good stuff to eat out there ~ that's what brings the problem to the attention of your doctor.

12 posted on 02/13/2008 9:17:49 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Joann37; neverdem

I’m with you. Not doing the Sugarbusters officially, but have determined recently to be very careful about what I eat and get more exercise. I’ve also started taking 1,000 units of Vit D, evening primrose oil (allergic to fish), magnesium and zinc every day and in the last couple weeks I have noticed that my blood sugar is much easier to control although I’m not sure which factors are the most important, or if they are all contributing.

I don’t have diabetes yet, but can see myself heading that way with the tendency I have to get hypoglycemic. What I’ve noticed is that in the last week or so, when I get hungry, I don’t get shaky like I used to; it’s more just hunger and when I eat, I feel satisfied more easily.

I’ve also started a food diary for food allergy problems, but I decided to kill two birds with one stone and use it to monitor what I eat for blood sugar. It really helps with personal accountability to see what you’re doing.


13 posted on 02/13/2008 9:20:10 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
You could eat nothing but unsweetend tapioca if you wanted. Your liver will dutifully turn it into sugar for you.

In fact, your liver turns all starches and sugars into the type your body runs on (with the exception of the sugars that make up cellulose).

14 posted on 02/13/2008 9:22:52 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Global2010
Also big news my Vitamin D level came back severely deficient which would be typical living in the Never see sunshine PNW and a nocturnal.

Did you have to ask for a special test to measure Vitamin D? I lived in the PNW for 5 years. I've been reading more and more about the effects of low Vitamin D levels and wondering if I should get tested for this when I have my quarterly diabetic blood work done.

Since menopause, controling BGs has been a struggle for me. I was fine w/o meds then everything went to hell. I have tried topiramax (which helped), Atkins (which helped), insulin (not so much), counting carbs(helps), Byetta(helped) and metformin (helps but I never know when I'll get gastric distress from it) Nothing is perfect for me.

I'm not sure what the article means about not trying to get normal blood sugars. My mother, father, and uncle are/were diabetic. My uncle was on dialysis for years, then had both legs amputated, finally dying from a massive infection. He never paid attention to his diabetes and sadly, pain and death were the result. I can't imagine that I should stop trying to control my BGs; I would wind up just like my uncle, I'm sure.

15 posted on 02/13/2008 9:36:46 PM PST by radiohead (I stood up for Fred at the Iowa Caucus. Where were the rest of you so-called conservatives?)
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To: radiohead

Sometimes I have to wonder if taking the drugs for Type II is worse than higher BG. They make me feel so awful all the time (mostly glucophage). My last A1C was under 7 and the doctor was not pleased that it wasn’t lower. I’m about ready to chuck the meds and see what happens.


16 posted on 02/13/2008 9:49:29 PM PST by varina davis
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To: metmom

Vitamin D will make your BG drop.

Are you deficiant via a blood test on D?


17 posted on 02/13/2008 10:03:21 PM PST by Global2010 (Election 2008 like playin Shoots and Ladders (ages 5 and up))
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To: varina davis
I’m about ready to chuck the meds and see what happens.

I'm with you there. The past month and a half I have been working on my diet, moving into vegetarianism. I've lowered my BGs 40 points average, lost weight (I suppose they're related, I'll take 'em either way). I've been able to do without a post meal shot since my BGs are rarely above 160 (no where near the 260 they used to get to) and I've halved my lantus before bed.

There have been a number of studies that show great reduction in BGs (to normal levels) w/a vegetarian or vegan diet. Diabetes Self-Management reported on this last year and while it was thought-provoking, I just wasn't ready at the time. I am now and finding it no trouble (lactose intolerant anyway) to give up the dairy. And, after years of counting carbs, I can have beans and rice again! (tho I still control the rice portion) and sweet potato, and a ton of veggies that I enjoy anyway. It's a bit lower fat than I'm used to, but apparently controling fat is part of the problem as well. I'm not in it to save animals; I like meat, but I dont want to be on dialysis for years either. I imagine that once I get back to a better weight, I can add a bit of meat back once a week or so, but I probably won't want to get crazy about it. Lemmesee - meat or no feet? Hmm...

I decided I was not going to spend my life at the doctors, nor was I going to go out like my uncle. I want my life back and with some effort, research (and practical application like at Duke Univ) on this type of diet has shown it works very well.

18 posted on 02/13/2008 10:03:43 PM PST by radiohead (I stood up for Fred at the Iowa Caucus. Where were the rest of you so-called conservatives?)
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To: radiohead

You have FR mail.


19 posted on 02/13/2008 10:20:46 PM PST by Global2010 (Election 2008 like playin Shoots and Ladders (ages 5 and up))
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To: radiohead
The medical center has their WheelChair scale in the Dialysis center so when I went to get a weight on KV and His Chair I went there and that scared me seeing all the amputees ect due to Diabetes.

Been fortunate even with the last year down with back injury/no cardio exercise to keep the A1c non through diet...and yes I am just shy of 50 too.

20 posted on 02/13/2008 10:34:59 PM PST by Global2010 (Election 2008 like playin Shoots and Ladders (ages 5 and up))
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