'Terror plot to kill 1000'

Herald Sun ^ | February 13, 2008 | Norrie Ross

[george76]

The trial is now starting.

[george76]

Kuffar or ‘Kuffur’ ?

[Fox_Mulder77]

they’ll probably get off with short jail terms, unfortunately.

[george76]

it was permissable in pursuit of violent Jihad to kill and steal from the Kuffur.

[dighton]

Kuffar or ‘Kuffur’ ?

If I get your drift, transliteration is a tricky business, for example the thousand-and-one names of Libya’s fashion plate.

[bajabaja]

Reading the entire article, these guys appear, in mental/psychological terms, to have the mindset of teenage boys — just evil teenage thugs with nitrates and bomb making knowledge and the ability to quite the koran. Chest-thumping and bragadoccio included.

[forkinsocket]

Kuffar كفّار plural, Kafir كافر singular. There are 3 different kinds of kuffar according to Shar'iyyah, harbi, musta'min, & dhimmi, for those who are curious.

[Chgogal]

For those who have not heard of or read Stephen Coughlin’s thesis on the Koran and Jihad, here it is. It is a fascinating read (300+pages, but well worth the effort).

http://www.strategycenter.net/docLib/20080107_Coughlin_ExtremistJihad.pdf

“Their blood and money is fair game,” ...

[george76]

thanks

[AnAmericanMother]

The ultimate discussion of the proper way to spell the name of the "Guide of the First of September Great Revolution of the Arab Libyan Popular and Socialist Jamahirya."

Thanx and a hat tip to Cecil Adams of The Straight Dope.

[Chgogal]

....OK, I’m impressed. ; )

[Proud_USA_Republican]

HOpe its not a liberal judge who will claim they are victims of islamophobia and set them free.

[puroresu]

Is it true that Arabic is one of the hardest languages for an English-speaker to learn? I assume that it is! Not only because of the different script, but it seems grammatically complicated as well.

[forkinsocket]

Very hard to transliterate these alphabets. If you ask me, I’d transliterate his name Gadhdhafiy because when Libyans pronounce the Qaf (first letter), it sounds kind of like a G. If he were different nationality, I’d do it differently.

Confusing, eh?

[dighton]

Confusing until it’s settled

(thank you AAM!)

as Duckbreath.

[forkinsocket]

....OK, I’m impressed. ; )

Thanks, but I'm Middle Eastern, so no reason to impressed ;)

Is it true that Arabic is one of the hardest languages for an English-speaker to learn?

Hard to say for me. I do think it's more complicated than Russian & Spanish, for example. On the other hand, once you learn the root system of Semitic languages, it becomes easy to make new words. Also, it seems like many translation schools in America teach students classical Arabic, which few Arabs will be able to understand.

For me, English is very hard because of the strange spellings & the way that words never sound the way they are written. It breaks my head.

[Chgogal]

“It breaks my head.” LOL, yup - not an American idiom. (It drives me nuts.)

Lebanon? Jordan? Kuwait? Can you give us a clue? And are you there now?

[puroresu]

What is your native language, if I may ask? Your English seems perfect. I doubt that anyone would ever know that you haven’t spoken it from birth!

When I began learning Japanese, my instructor told me that Arabic, Chinese, and Japanese are the hardest major languages to learn if you are a native English speaker. Of course, many lesser known languages are also difficult. Take a look at Icelandic sometime! :-)

[forkinsocket]

I'm an Israeli Mizrahit from Lebanon (complicated!), but also lived in & visited almost all the Arab countries. I'm in America right now.

[dighton]

For me, English is very hard because of the strange spellings & the way that words never sound the way they are written. It breaks my head.

Agreed. English is notoriously tough.