How the CIA Lost Vietnam

Poe.com ^ | February 13, 2008 | Richard Lawrence Poe

[Chgogal]

Youtube is back up!!!!!

[Bigun]

I don't know that for sure.

All I know is that I have a very good friend who happens to be a distinguished professor of history at a major university who has also written several books and one on the subject of Viet Nam.

After reading Dr. Moyar's book I asked my friend if he had seen it and his comment was "No but I can tell you that the young man who wrote it is having a hard time finding a job because of it."

And then I found Mark Moyar, Historian of Vietnam, Finds Academe Hostile to a Hawk which confirmed what my friend had told me. It's a damned SHAME!

[Verginius Rufus]

I remember William F. Buckley, Jr., saying nice things about Allard Lowenstein when Lowenstein died.

[BIGLOOK]

We filled the void the French left, intervening on behalf of the State of Viet Nam against the DRVN in the north. The US did so to stop the spread of communism in SE Asia (Domino Theory). Ok, that's the story.

But there were other incentives for preventing the Viet Minh (Lao Dong) takeover of S. Viet Nam and allowing a Soviet ally (puppet) control of ports and bays which would give the USSR a warm weather port in the South China Sea. Then there was control over the Golden Sands.

[Chgogal]

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MjdhZWM1NzFmZWQ4M2RmZWExN2NkOTNmN2FmZTY5MzY

It is he! I read this when this article was published. I will have to get the book. It sounds wonderful.

[rawcatslyentist]

They sought to turn public opinion against the war, using press leaks and disinformation campaigns.

The nazis used to drop prop leaflets from tall buildings.

With telebizion the buildings just got a lot taller!

[Bigun]

So it is!

Thanks!

[elpadre]

refresh my memory please -

entry into Vietnam, I thought, had to do with SEATO (?)
the treaty among South East Asia countries and the US, in which we guaranteed protection of them from the spread of communism.

[Richard Poe]

elpadre writes: "refresh my memory please - entry into Vietnam, I thought, had to do with SEATO..."

That is correct. However, the Pentagon believed that it was foolish to carry out military operations in Vietnam while leaving the Chinese free to supply the enemy with impunity.

The Joint Chiefs of Staff said that any U.S. forces operating in Vietnam should be free to attack supply sources in China. This permission was never granted.

[elpadre]

so the Pentagon wished to unilaterally break the treaty??

[tillacum]

We lost VietNam because the likes of killer kennedy and the rest of the wealkling democrats didn’t have the will or the courage to win. They withdrew the funds from our military and the SO Vietnam gov’t, and we had to leave. We left behind a few million Vietnamese loyal to freedom and they were killed by the communist No Vietnamese. Blood on the hands of the DemocRATS. This CIA BS is just trying to move the blame from our so called leaders to the CIA. War is not a perfect plan, and the CIA agents are not Sunday school teachers, so the Americans took what information they could and determined which was better at that moment. Plans change in a war, sometimes from hour to hour and sometimes day from day, war plans are not always perfect and war is not won, except by the backing of the government and people back home. This is one thing that was lacking in VietNam. Our elected “royals” did not have the brass “knuckles” nor the will to win. Our presstitutes of the screaming media, those who never served a day in uniform, and those who sat in Siagon at the Brinks Hotel and restaurant wrote out their daily war reports for the news media they worked for. Sam Donaldson who used to stand outside his shower stall and wet the bottom of his “fatigues” and pretend he’d spent the day trudging through the swamps of VietNam, but he never got any leaches.
Had it not been for the likes of our elected “royals”, the likes of media reporters like Sam Donaldson and Cronkite who the day of the Tet Offensive, told America we had lost the war, the like of VietNam “Heros” like Heinz-Kerry, we would have won, because we were winning, until the killer kennedy group pulled the rug from under us by denying us the funds to continue and win the war.

This is the same thing the democRATS are trying to do to us and our troops and the Iraqi people. They are not friends of America, the democrats and their ilk are anit-America.

[Just mythoughts]

cia was full of leftists - and the f’ed nixon too.

And tried to reenact their antics on President Bush via the 'global players' using Wilson and his gal Val, to save Saddam for his oil contractors ... same puppeteers who used Vietnam to spread their dying root system.

[tillacum]

Cronckite may be looking for a job as ole broadbeam’s press secretary....He’ll be back in the lime lite, lime lite, everyone will HEAR his words of wisdumb again, and again and....and....Never could stand that communist.

[tillacum]

Cronckite may be looking for a job as ole broadbeam’s press secretary....He’ll be back in the lime lite, lime lite, everyone will HEAR his words of wisdumb again, and again and....and....Never could stand that communist.

[Trailerpark Badass]

for later

[JasonC]

Repeats the left's lie that Johnson giving up was America giving up, when it was actually America giving up on Democrats. The war was won on and over the battlefield, and lost in the Watergate building, and a traitor's congress.

[tillacum]

Sounds like my Mom when she was making a POINT.

[tillacum]

Yeah, I got it and reposted, so my post may appear twice. Oh well.

[1COUNTER-MORTER-68]

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