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To: RavenATB
it started with Reagan . Reagan breached the dam on illegal immigration and the flood has been surging ever since.

all for cheep lettuce (most of it now comes from mexico anyway)

35 posted on 02/12/2008 8:06:13 PM PST by KTM rider (Why cut off your nose to spite your face, when you can just hold it instead)
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To: KTM rider
“it started with Reagan .”

I agree that it was probably the biggest mistake of Reagan’s administration. I’ve heard his son, Michael, say as much.

However, remember that in exchange for amnesty for this relatively small number of illegals, Congress promised to close the border. If the amnesty we endured ended with that bill, and the boarder had been secured as promised, Reagan’s mistake wouldn’t look nearly as bad is it now does.

Regardless, we have this situation, and these illegals. We can deal with this or revisit previous mistakes to distract attention from what must be done. I suggest we stay focused, or prepare to lose our nation.

Predicted US population in 1050: over 400Million!

40 posted on 02/12/2008 8:11:10 PM PST by RavenATB
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To: KTM rider

Your history is incorrect.

Reagan signed the Kennedy amnesty in 1986 which gave 3.5 million illegals citizenship because the previous Carter, Nixon,Ford, and Johnson administrations didn’t even know who was in the country. The bill was passed with strict enforcement measures which Reagan wanted in there. Teddy Kennedy and the rest of Congress PROMISED us there would never be another amnesty.

Then nobody enforced the law. Bush the Elder, Clinton, Bush the younger, nobody, including Congress, for 20 years.
That wasn’t Reagan’s fault.

Now,we are just keeping them at their word. No more amnesty.

Reagn wasn’t soft on illegals. This was the political reality at the time. In fact, the number of illegals was only supposed to be 1.5 million, but it was more than double.

That’s why when they say there is only about 12 million illegals, the real number is more like 25-30 million.


65 posted on 02/12/2008 8:43:42 PM PST by exit82 (People get the government they deserve. And they are about to get it--in spades.)
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To: KTM rider

Reagan regretted signing the Simpson-Mazzoli Act. He publicly made that statement once.

The reason he signed the bill: the democrats in Congress promised to secure the border, and then broke the agreement after the bill was signed.

George H. Bush made a similar mistake; he agreed to raise taxes, and the democrats in Congress agreed to cut spending. The democrats didn’t uphold their end of the bargain, and then, in the 1992 presidential campaign, the dems accused Bush of lying in 1988 when he said, “Read my lips.....no new taxes.”


88 posted on 02/12/2008 9:24:09 PM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (Change.....that's what we will have left in our pockets if a Democrat gets elected president!)
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