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GRINCH TAX: IT'S BACK (NY Gov. Spitzer)
New York Post ^ | February 12, 2008 | RAYMOND MEIER

Posted on 02/12/2008 8:53:02 AM PST by fweingart

AMID the holiday shopping season last November, Gov. Spitzer an nounced the state would begin collecting sales taxes from New Yorkers who shopped online. An immediate firestorm erupted, with critics dubbing the proposal "the Grinch Tax."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: salestax; socialistbully; spitzer
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Amazon & co. would just have to collect the tax on the state's behalf.

This DemocRAT donkey can't wait to get his claws on the internet.

(Actually the internet IS a DemocRAT creation....just ask that silly ass Algored.

1 posted on 02/12/2008 8:53:11 AM PST by fweingart
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And the voters here in this state cannot get enough of voting in RATS like Spitzer. They’ll whine and moan about this, pause to vote for a RAT, and then resume whining and moaning. Disgusting.


2 posted on 02/12/2008 8:55:55 AM PST by Dahoser (America's great untapped alternative energy source: The Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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Sorry Eliot...not going to pay it, ever.


3 posted on 02/12/2008 8:56:19 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Hillary = Senator Incitatus, Clintigula's whore...er, horse.)
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Sorry Eliot...not going to pay it, ever.

If the on-line vendor charges sales tax, you have two choices. Continue with the order, or cancel.

4 posted on 02/12/2008 8:58:09 AM PST by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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If NYS loses anymore residents because of taxes, Spitzer & Co. will be able to declare the entire state forever wild.


5 posted on 02/12/2008 9:01:46 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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Unless both buyer and seller are physically located in New York, this is an interstate commerce issue, and beyond the jurisdiction of the New York State government. If buyers and/or a New York state agency were fully responsible for the collection aspect, then it MIGHT fly constitutionally. But demanding that Amazon collect and deliver the taxes is interfering with interstate commerce, which only the federal government is constitutionally authorized to do.


6 posted on 02/12/2008 9:03:24 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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And the voters here in this state cannot get enough of voting in RATS like Spitzer. They’ll whine and moan about this, pause to vote for a RAT, and then resume whining and moaning. Disgusting.

Not quite. If things were indeed that bad we'd have driver's licenses for illegals.

Ol' Troopergate may be the best thing that's ever happened to the acronymic oxymoron that is the NYS GOP :)

7 posted on 02/12/2008 9:04:29 AM PST by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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I wonder if he’ll be making Amazon charge tax on USED books and USED DVD’s bought from individuals who sell through Amazon. If so, I won’t be doing any business with them for that anymore. He can’t possibly go after ever used bookseller on the internet. I’ll have to check with the smaller places I buy from, and see if his taxes will be charged by them. I don’t think he takes into consideration that a lot of retired and disabled people use the internet to purchase their items because it makes it easier on them. It’s just a matter of time before he goes after individuals like me, who sell from time to time on eBay. It wouldn’t surprise me if he pursued PayPal accounts too. I’m praying that this guy is a one-term Governor.


8 posted on 02/12/2008 9:23:40 AM PST by mass55th
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If the on-line vendor charges sales tax, you have two choices. Continue with the order, or cancel.

Absolutely right. Already many of the on-line purchases are charging sales tax. It will spread and I see no way to stop it.

9 posted on 02/12/2008 9:26:02 AM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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There is currently a line on the IT-200 NYS tax form that asks about online purchases and how much you spent in the current year. Then tells you to multiply line whatever by 0.08%. I always report zero. Since there is no real enforcement method, they cannot scour my personal finances without a warrant, it burden is on the state to prove it is not zero.


10 posted on 02/12/2008 9:37:28 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Hillary = Senator Incitatus, Clintigula's whore...er, horse.)
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Correct. And what I don’t understand is why some have charged me tax. I live in CA, and if the company resides in CA, I can see how that is possible knowing how CA works. (probably based on my shipping address) Don’t like it, but some are doing it. CA also requires use tax on their income tax. Therefore some of my purchases have been double taxed. Very confusing and wish I understood what the heck is going on.
11 posted on 02/12/2008 9:39:34 AM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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....they cannot scour my personal finances without a warrant....

Ah, but some merchants are volunteering the info to the state of NY. You might want to inquire the next time you make a purchase.

12 posted on 02/12/2008 9:40:10 AM PST by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

According to the NY State Dept. of Taxation & Finance, you are required to pay sales tax on items you buy over the internet, through catalogs, home shopping networks, etc. If you physically buy items in another state and bring them back into NY State for use, you must pay sales tax. The same thing goes for out-of-state service on property you bring back into NY state for use. They do allow you credit if you paid sales tax from another state, but chances are, it won’t be as high as NY’s. They even expect you to pay the extra sales tax if you buy an item in another county with a lower tax rate, and bring it into your locale if the tax rate is higher. I live in Oneida County, NY. Our sales tax is 9.75%. Spitzer’s proposed tax is actually lower, but I hate the thought of having to pay it either way.


13 posted on 02/12/2008 9:48:54 AM PST by mass55th
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Thanks for the heads-up!!! I will definitely be exploring that in the future.


14 posted on 02/12/2008 9:57:23 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Hillary = Senator Incitatus, Clintigula's whore...er, horse.)
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I live in Oneida County, NY....

Hi neighbor! Utica area.


15 posted on 02/12/2008 9:57:53 AM PST by Wilum (Never loaded a nuke I didn't like)
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Please re-read my original post:

"If the on-line vendor charges sales tax, you have two choices. Continue with the order, or cancel."

16 posted on 02/12/2008 10:06:34 AM PST by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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Agreed. Presently only business in NY charge sales tax to NYS residents. This includes Land's End, Eddie Bauer, and the like who have retail outlets within NY state borders.
17 posted on 02/12/2008 10:39:40 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Hillary = Senator Incitatus, Clintigula's whore...er, horse.)
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Since there is no real enforcement method, they cannot scour my personal finances without a warrant, it burden is on the state to prove it is not zero.

They might not have probably cause at first to scour your financial records, right away. But they can go to court and get purchase and shipping records from companies, that do business with NY residents. Then send them a tax bill for the item. It will be easier to first go after the major companies like the computer companies like Dell, Gateway, and HP. With this information in hand, they can review peoples tax records and see if these items were listed on their tax forms. If not, they will probably send you a tax bill, plus fine you, because you did not report it in the first place.

Many states tax agencies are going to court, and getting the purchasing and shipping records, from major on-line cigarette sellers, and sending tax bills to residents to collect the cigarette tax. MI goes out in full force to accomplish this, since they levy a USD$2.00 tax on each pack of cigarettes, or US$20.00 tax on each carton. I read a story, in the last year or so, where a widow, got a US$2000.00 tax bill from the state, for on-line cigarette purchases over an 18 month period. They got the information by going to court in the sellers state, and getting the Invoices. Basically the same process that the RIAA uses to get the names and addresses for people who share music over the Internet.

18 posted on 02/12/2008 11:26:05 AM PST by rerat0120
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They might not have probably cause at first to scour your financial records, right away.

Should have been written:

They might not have probable cause at first to scour your financial records, right away.

19 posted on 02/12/2008 11:29:30 AM PST by rerat0120
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To: Wilum
"Hi neighbor! Utica area."

Howdy back neighbor!

20 posted on 02/12/2008 11:59:15 AM PST by mass55th
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