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To: incindiary
...but the point made in the video is that there is a deliberate manipulation going on,...

I'm on dial-up so I'm not going to see the video but I have thought that for twenty years. I think the competition between the two parties is real though. But it's about power not ideology. Leftist ideology holds the power now in both parties. I think there are some true conservatives in the Republican Party and a smattering of Blue Dog Democrats that put country before Party or self gain. You won't see them getting much attention from party elites or the MSM though. I don't think the individual pols are all in on some grand over arching conspiracy. I think those that want power follow the trails that lead them to power. The real power brokers are communists/globalists but they don't hold elected offices.

That's my opinion FWIW.

I also think the US Constitution is a major obstacle for them. They are on the verge of collapsing it but they have to do that by getting the people to vote for it. Amnesty and Global Warming are the keys to bringing about a point of no return. Amnesty will consolidate political power over the U.S. and Global Warming will cede economic sovereignty to a world body such as the UN. At that point they can herd us any direction they want to.

23 posted on 02/11/2008 1:45:49 AM PST by TigersEye (I'm a maverick. I'm sticking with conservatism.)
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To: TigersEye
I also think the US Constitution is a major obstacle for them. They are on the verge of collapsing it but they have to do that by getting the people to vote for it. Amnesty and Global Warming are the keys to bringing about a point of no return. Amnesty will consolidate political power over the U.S. and Global Warming will cede economic sovereignty to a world body such as the UN. At that point they can herd us any direction they want to.

Yes.

32 posted on 02/11/2008 3:10:26 AM PST by Jim Noble (Look out kid, they keep it all hid)
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To: TigersEye
They may have to hurry up on the Global Warming effort. There are signs of imminent global cooling.

There are signs that the earth might be entering a mini-ice age. The last one was between 1650 and 1715 A.D.

  1. This article explains that Sun spot activity is abnormally low for this point in its 11-year cycle. This is the primary cause of major changes in Earth temperature: INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY: The Sun Also Sets.
  2. January 2008 was the coldest month in the last 30 to 100 years throughout the Northern hemisphere, as noted here: Watts Up With That?: Jan08 Northern Hemisphere snow cover: largest anomaly since 1966.
  3. The Southern (Antarctic) ice cap in December was the size it was six months earlier -- even though December is the warm season down there now. Southern Hemisphere Ice Cover Remains Well Above Normal .
  4. Over the Pacific ocean La Nina is going into a classic cold phase, such as it did in 1949-1950, which signaled the start of the reversal of the warming of the earth’s climate in the 1930s, ‘40s and early 50s. Climate Change (pdf).

Record lows north, south, over the Pacific, and on the Sun!

The Global Warming hoax is not about sensibly adapting to man made climate change. It is about slowing the Western economy (which is why Russia, China, India and Brazil get essentially a free pass in the Kyoto accords.)

As one of my favorite bloggers, The Discerning Texan, writes, they have to hurry up and have some success getting laws, regulations and treaties that "address Global Warming", before the big chill comes in anyway and puts the big lie to their efforts.

To quote him:

I suspect that many global warming alarmists are well aware that time is running out for them. If nothing is done and global temperatures decline in coming years--as they inevitably will, the only question is when--the alarmists will have been refuted.

On the other hand, if they succeed in pushing through industry-destroying caps on carbon emissions around the world, and especially here in the U.S., they will take credit for the cooling when it comes, claiming it as vindication of their theories.


38 posted on 02/11/2008 3:57:00 AM PST by ThePythonicCow (The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
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To: TigersEye
Amnesty and Global Warming are the keys to bringing about a point of no return.
Amnesty, maybe ... but without question, Global Warming is the "stealth bomber" communists will use to drive us into ruin.
It's the same MO as the Islamic fanatics using the "religion of peace" to silently invade a country.
BTW, I truly believe that one day, should the US go so far loony-left, the US military will have to overthrow the government to restore the Constitution.
63 posted on 02/11/2008 7:28:11 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: TigersEye
I agree. It seems there are two factions of one bigger group, so there is 'competition', as you said. But the important point is that they both are selling us out and are taking us away from what this country is supposed to be, to something entirely different, and something that will be very bad news for everyone.
83 posted on 02/11/2008 3:42:44 PM PST by incindiary
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