Smoky bar triggered fatal asthma attack

Reutors ^ | updated 5:38 p.m. CT, Fri., Feb. 8, 2008

[justkillingtime]

A woman in her late teens died from an acute asthma attack triggered by secondhand cigarette smoke shortly after arriving at her job as a waitress in a bar in Michigan, researchers reported on Friday.

[Darnright]

>But I do not believe that it should be the platform for banning smoking.<

Nor do I. That said, I do believe we need laws that set aside a certain portion of restaurants for non-smokers.

There is a non-smoking bar in our area. I love going there. It smells so clean, and the people are really friendly. That business owner has made a sound decision. Smokers have lots of choices in our vicinity.

[thefactor]

hahaha!

oh, the tolerant conservative you are! so respectful of other's opinions who have engaged in semi-intelligent dialogue for the most part.

so you're a smoking nazi. got it. nobody cares. lemme guess, you got a speeding ticket and it just wasn't your fault! i bet nothing ever is.

[callisto]

Thanks for posting the thread, jkt. It prompted some interesting research and results. I’ve enjoyed it!! Some people will always choose to ignore the facts. Interesting that the most closed-minded poster on the thread claims to be both a cop and a grad student.

[callisto]

Can you capitalize? I hope you don’t turn in your homework with the same unintelligable text you post.

[callisto]

LOL !!! Are you even aware of the content you post on your own profile page? Why do you cite this quote on your profile page since your personal philosophy is it's antithesis?

"The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. - G.K. Chesterton

[thefactor]

so repeating that i have no real opinion either way means i am close minded? i'm sorry that your arguments were less than stellar and did not sway my original point that i smell better after leaving a smokeless bar.

think about it! that's all i said! i don't smell like smoke when i leave a bar nowadays.

if you can prove to me that that is a false statement, i'll concede all your points.

but your BS about "oh, who will speak for me when the jack-booted thugs come for the smokers?!" doesn't really hold water. last i checked, people are still pretty free around here.

look, i capitalized a couple of letters! you happy now?

and stop with the whole "you're not a cop/student crap." that's just childish. i guarantee i can outshoot/outwrite you any day. there, wasn't that a childish statement? i thought we were having personable discourse. i was asking questions and getting answers. this issue just isn't all that important to me. i just don't like smelling like smoke. sorry.

[thefactor]

because, friend, while we are free to punish ourselves in any way we see fit, we are not free to injure others through our actions.

[callisto]

Have you even LOOKED at the origin of the research this article is based upon? Doubtful. You seem to feel empowered since YOU are the poster on the thread calling others names. Do you need a reminder?

good one, scumbag. turns out i’m a cop in grad school making some extra coin on the side. go back to licking your cheetos-stained fingers, tubs. (2nd post to the thread)

you are exactly what is wrong with FR. besides blatant stupidity, you have perverted your most salient issue into a crusade who's mission has been lost due to your misguided fervor against ANY seemingly opposed viewpoint....
and i'd love to know what you do for a living. probably involves long periods of sitting.(3rd post to the thread)

if this eric guy is in your circle,
a) he's nuts, and
b) i should not have wasted my time.
you people are so twisted... (4th post to the thread)

But you didn't go away, did you? Instead you kept on...

if people around here want to give me the old, "this is the first step to gov't control, blah blah, you're all just sheep, blah..." then fine. go ahead. (6th post to the thread)

Not exactly a Conservative attitude. Have you read the Constitution? Most of us on the forum VALUE it's words and freedoms delegated to Americans through those words.

no matter what i say here all you have to do is keep typing "LOL" like a monkey and try to bait me. (9th post to the thread)

oh, the tolerant conservative you are! so you're a smoking nazi. got it. (12th post to the thread)

And now that you are verbally berating me, how many is it on this thread you have called names?

but your BS about "oh, who will speak for me when the jack-booted thugs come for the smokers?!" doesn't really hold water. (13th post to the thread)

You appear to be a nasty little soul, there, thefactor.

i guarantee i can outshoot/outwrite you any day.

Doubtful. You've disproven that claim throughout this thread. ROFLMAO!

while we are free to punish ourselves in any way we see fit, we are not free to injure others through our actions.

Verbal attacks ARE actions also! And, please, don't call me friend as we share nothing in common and would never be friends if we met in daily life. You plaster your profile page with quotes that defy the comments you post. I'm beginning to think that you aren't old enough to be up this late?

[callisto]

You totally missed the meaning of that quote. You may wish to go to your profile page and re-read it slowly.

“The free man owns himself.” No one else or the government owns a free man. He is free to damage himself, if he so chooses. If he chooses to damage himself, he is a fool and possibly a damns his soul. But if a man does not have the freedom to damage himself, if so wills, then he is not a free man at all.

[thefactor]

jeez, what research. maybe YOU should be the one getting a master's degree.

i don't think CNN could have selected quotes proving only their point any better than you have.

if you look, i was the one initially insulted. for no other reason than saying that if smoking were allowed in bars, i would probably choose to not work there any longer. that's it! no condemnation of smokers in any way. do me a favor and confirm that point for me. then perhaps we can move on.

actually, i think you have already conceded that point to me in an earlier post. then you said that some people might read into it and take offense. and i proceeded to ask questions and you proceeded to answer them.

now all of a sudden you're attacking me since the original poster doesn't like what i have to say.

i guess i offended the "don't follow the rules, smokin' in the boys room, mullet wearing, trans-am driving" crowd and they are ganging up on me.

[thefactor]

so government should have zero control over what a "free man" can do?

there is no social contract? come on.

[timm22]

i guess i offended the "don't follow the rules, smokin' in the boys room, mullet wearing, trans-am driving" crowd and they are ganging up on me.

Hey now!

I'll have you know that I am firmly aligned with the

meek,
non-smoking,
clean cut,
jalopy-driving,
liberty-loving crowd.

:)

[timm22]

because, friend, while we are free to punish ourselves in any way we see fit, we are not free to injure others through our actions.

True. But at the same time, we shouldn't be responsible for someone else's harm when they knowingly and voluntarily subject themselves to a particular danger.

[callisto]

jeez, what research. maybe YOU should be the one getting a master's degree.

You needn't worry about MY education. You couldn't keep up in my profession, and my degrees surpass yours. How many degrees did you say you have?

i don't think CNN could have selected quotes proving only their point any better than you have.

Unlike you, I researched the origins of the article AND provided direct links to their source for all to read and confirm for themselves what I summarized. Have you even read the content linked?

if you look, i was the one initially insulted.

And like a child you have flamed most every other poster who disagreed with you!

actually, i think you have already conceded that point to me in an earlier post. then you said that some people might read into it and take offense.

NOT sure what you are talking about, here. You must have me confused with another poster whose factually-based opinion you have maligned on this thread.

guess i offended the "don't follow the rules, smokin' in the boys room, mullet wearing, trans-am driving" crowd and they are ganging up on me.

Mym you can't stop with the name-calling. For your information, you are so off-base it's hilarious. I'm certainm based on your self-described personal historym that you couldn't begin to understand the levels of ethics compliance I maintain on a daily basis. "Smokin' in the boys room"? Hah. You happen to be communicating with a female, or are you one of those who only believe a man can be logical? And, sorry, the mullet doesn't go well with a business suit I wear daily at a Fortune 500 company. "Trans am driving", no dear, I prefer a Lexus. Some people will always choose to ignore the facts." You appear to continue to ignore the FACTS in this case, constantly whining about how bad cigarette smoke smells.

[callisto]

The extra m = ,

Typing in the dark on a laptop does not always work well late at night

[callisto]

so government should have zero control over what a "free man" can do?
there is no social contract? come on.

I think you need this link: DU

[thefactor]

so why not compromise? everyone can go to the bar. YEAH!

but in order for smokers not to harm anyone else, why cant they extend the courtesy of stepping outside for a smoke?

but no, some of the people around here want to enjoy their vice only on their terms and screw anyone else who might have a problem with that.

i wonder what would happen if someone with asthma approached these posters and quietly asked, "would you mind putting that out or going outside? i have asthma."

i can see it now: "you shouldn't be in here! this is a bar. i am free to smoke! stop trying to take away my freedom!" sheesh.

[thefactor]

way to answer the question...

i'll type slower this time:

is there a social contract?

[callisto]

Let me answer with the quotes on your profile page. Those which you cannot comprehend their meaning. Actions speak louder than words and your actions on this thread are antithetical to the quotes you portray on your profile page. I suspect you are a shill. The link to DU remains an accurate assessment IMO.

But all you Kings of Earth -- still fear! for many a Concord could happen here when sleeping rebels rise aroused and courage displayed awakens dreams... And people armed with Freedom's writ and loaded guns will DARE to say: Don't You Tread On Me.

America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. - Abraham Lincoln

They neither forget that man does owe a duty to his fellows, and should strive to do what he can to increase the well-being of the community; nor yet do they forget that in the long run the only way to help people is to make them help themselves. They are prepared to try any properly guarded legislative remedy for ills which they believe can be remedied; but they perceive clearly that it is both foolish and wicked to teach the average man who is not well off that some wrong or injustice has been done him, and that he should hope for redress elsewhere than in his own industry honest and intelligence. - Th. Roosevelt

Posterity, you will never know how much it cost the present generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in heaven that ever I took half the pains to preserve it. - John Adams

I have no use in wasting my time with you any longer. When called on your behavior on this thread you have avoided responding, because there is no excuse for it.

[thefactor]

ah yes because you smokers are such bastions of tolerance. i name-called in response to name calling and insults.

and yes, you are correct. i'm a shill who belongs on DU. i have been hiding out biding my time for 7 years in anticipation of POUNCING on a pro-smoking thread to spread my vitriol and convert all of you to my own little brand of socialism.

your resume is very impressive. thanks for giving it to me. but rest assured, you do not have to prove anything to me. i, unlike many around here, will not stoop to the old trick of saying you are not what you claim to be. i have learned to take freepers word for it. especially ones with tenure such as yourself.

thank you for proving to me how awful of a person i am. when will you go back and call-out the posters who initially insulted me after my first innocuous post? i'll hold my breath.