[ScubieNuc]

Waterboarding is torture. We shouldn't use it.

To you waterboarding is torture and you believe we shouldn't use it. I believe we need to have an open discussion on what America defines as torture.

Pulling out finger nails, breaking bones, drilling into teeth fall in line with my definition of torture. These things inflict permanent physical damage. Waterboarding inflicts fear but no permanent physical damage.

When I was in Navy Dive School, part of our training involved having water fill your sinuses while swimming on your back with your face mask filled with water. In some people it causes great panic and a fear of drownding and they quit. I wouldn't call that torture.

To some people not getting 8 hours of sleep is torture. So lets have an open discussion on what methods we are allowed to use for interogation. I say if fear of drownding causes people to give up information I say use it.

[RS]

Anyone who wants to become President should be prepared to personally drive a hot poker into the eyes of a prisoner if it would prevent a nuclear attack on one of our cities - regardless of any ramifications.

They would never be able to SAY it, but I want to have a gut feeling that they would DO it if necessary.

McCain would,
Obama would not,
Hillary would check which city it was first