Huh? Ex-presidents? You lie!
All week I hear a pundit or two mention this super-delegate thing and no one in the TV surround seems to know. I heard somebody or another mention ex-governors but only once.
Well damn isn’t that odd, this super-delegate thing that no one seems to know who they are?
I can’t wait until Obama loses this thing and count on it that he will lose. Because it will either be suddenly counting Florida votes or these super=delegates vote over the will of the people and boom, Clinton will win.
It’ll be fun to sit back and watch a replay of the 2000 Florida fiasco again, with Florida possibly being a big player again, only this time just between the Dems. The notion makes the political junkee in me smile. I heard one pundit say that the Obama campaign didn’t campaign in Florida because it was assumed it wasn’t in play. Then Florida changes the rules AFTER the fact? How is this fair? Yeppers, ladies and gems, we get to watch Obama charge the Clintons with unfairness and watch the Dems in a foodfight.
And Huckabee is winning everywhere and yeah, I’ll buy it’s a backlash against McCain.
They insist on shoving McCain down our throats and we keep fighting back however we can, to the point that we might have to take Huckabee over McCain.
None of this GOP stuff should have come down this way. The pubbies need to sit down and rethink how they do stuff.
http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegate-list.html
All those delegates being elected by the two parties in all the primaries choose the next candidate for their respective parties, right? Yup - if you are a Republican, but not if you are a Democrat.
In the Democratic party, some delegates are more equal than others. The voters are chosing delegates, but have no say (directly) in the super delegates.
http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=1065
Super Delegates are elected Dem party officials. The “Super Delegate” system was set up to prevent candidates from winning that the party establishment don’t want to represent the party. The Super Delegates are not bound to vote for any particular candidate and to top it all off, Bill Clinton is a Super Delegate!!
Clinton
DNC Patti Higgins (AK)
DNC Joe Reed (AL)
Gov. Tagiola Tulafono (AS)
DNC Fagafaga Langkilde (AS)
DNC Deanna Fuimaono (AS)
DNC Nathaniel Savali (AS)
Rep. Ed Pastor (AZ)
DNC Joe Rios (AZ)
DNC Janice C. Brunson (AZ)
Hon. Carolyn Warner (AZ)
Gov. Mike Beebe (AR)
Sen. Mark Pryor (AR)
Sen. Blanche Lincoln (AR)
Rep. Marion Berry (AR)
Rep. Mike Ross (AR)
Rep. Vic Snyder (AR)
DNC Don Beavers (AR)
DNC Martha Dixon (AR)
DNC Karla Bradley (AR)
DNC Bill Gwatney (AR)
Sen. Diane Feinstein (CA)
Rep. Maxine Waters (CA)
Rep. Joe Baca (CA)
Rep. Doris Matsui (CA)
Rep. Mike Thompson (CA)
Rep. Lynn Woolsey (CA)
Rep. Dennis Cardoza (CA)
Rep. Jane Harman (CA)
Rep. Tom Lantos (CA)
Rep. Grace Napolitano (CA)
Rep. Laura Richardson (CA)
Rep. Lucille Roybal-Allard (CA)
Rep. Brad Sherman (CA)
Rep. Hilda Solis (CA)
Rep. Ellen Tauscher (CA)
Rep. Diane Watson (CA)
DNC Alice Huffman (CA)
DNC Alicia Wang (CA)
DNC Rosalind Wyman (CA)
Rep. Loretta Sanchez (CA)
DNC Charles Manatt (CA)
DNC Kamil Hasan (CA)
DNC Mona Pasquil (CA)
DNC Mirian Saez (CA)
DNC Hon. Maria Echaveste (CA)
DNC Rachel Binah (CA)
Hon. Christopher Stampolis (CA)
Rep. Diane DeGette (CO)
DNC Manny Rodriguez (CO)
DNC Maria Handley (CO)
DNC Ramona Martinez (CO)
DNC Ellen Camhi (CT)
Gov. Ruth Ann Minner (DE)
DNC Rhett Ruggerio (DE)
DNC Karen Valentine (DE)
DNC Mary Eva Candon (DC)
DNC Yolanda Caraway (DC)
DNC Hartina Flournoy (DC)
DNC Harold Ickes (DC)
DNC Ben Johnson (DC)
DNC Eric Kleinfeld (DC)
DNC Minyon Moore (DC)
DNC Elizabeth Smith (DC)
DNC Marilyn Tyler Brown (DC)
DNC Gerald McEntee (DC)
DNC Carol Pensky (DC)
Sen. Bill Nelson (FL)
Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (FL)
Rep. Alcee Hastings (FL)
Rep. Corrine Brown (FL)
Rep. Kendrick Meek (FL)
DNC Raul Martinez (FL)
Rep. David Scott (GA)
Rep. John Lewis (GA)
Michael Thurmond (GA)
Carole Dabbs (GA)
Lonnie Plott (GA)
Sen. Daniel Inouye (HI)
DNC John Rednour (IL)
Sen. Evan Bayh (IN)
DNC Joe Andrew (IN)
DNC Dan Parker (IN)
DNC Phoebe Crane (IN)
DNC Bob Pastrick (IN)
Rep. Leonard Boswell (IA)
DNC Sandy Opstvedt (IA)
DNC Sarah Swisher (IA)
DNC Mike Gronstal (IA)
DNC Teresa Krusor (KS)
Gov. John Baldacci (ME)
DNC Ken Curtis (ME)
Sen. Barbara Mikulski (MD)
Gov. Martin O’Malley (MD)
Rep. CA Dutch Ruppersberger (MD)
DNC Nancy Kopp (MD)
DNC Glenard Middleton (MD)
Alvaro Cifuentes (MD)
Richard Michalski (MD)
Michael Steed (MD)
Maria Cordone (MD)
Rep. Richard Neal (MA)
Rep. Jim McGovern (MA)
Rep. Barney Frank (MA)
Rep. Stephen Lynch (MA)
DNC Steven Grossman (MA)
Dr. Elaine Kamarck (MA)
DNC Diane Saxe (MA)
Gov. Jennifer Granholm (MI)
Hon. John Cherry (MI)
Sen. Debbie Stabenow (MI)
Rep. Sander Levin (MI)
DNC Joel Ferguson (MI)
Rep. Dale Kildee (MI)
Rep. John Dingell (MI)
Mark Schauer (MI)
VP Walter Mondale (MN)
DNC Jackie Stevenson (MN)
DNC Rick Stafford (MN)
Rep. Emanuel Cleaver II (MO)
Fmr. Rep. Dick Gephardt (MO)
DNC Doug Brooks (MO)
DNC Sandy Querry (MO)
Rep. Shelley Berkley (NV)
DNC Dina Titus (NV)
Clinton cont’d
DNC Gaeten DiGangi (NH)
DNC Anita Freedman (NH)
Gov. Jon Corzine (NJ)
Sen. Robert Menendez (NJ)
Rep. Robert Andrews (NJ)
Rep. Frank Pallone (NJ)
Rep. Bill Pascrell (NJ)
Rep. Albio Sires (NJ)
DNC Joseph DeCotiis (NJ)
DNC Dana Redd (NJ)
Rep. Donald Payne (NJ)
DNC Joe Cryan (NJ)
DNC Tonio Burgos (NJ)
DNC June Fisher (NJ)
Hon. Diane Denish (NM)
DNC Hon. Martin Chavez (NM)
DNC Mary Gail Gwaltney (NM)
Hon. Raymond Sanchez (NM)
Annadelle Sanchez (NM)
Christine Trujillo (NM)
Gov. Eliot Spitzer (NY)
President Bill Clinton (NY)
Sen. Hillary Clinton (NY)
Sen. Chuck Schumer (NY)
Rep. Gary Ackerman (NY)
Rep. Michael Arcuri (NY)
Rep. Timothy Bishop (NY)
Rep. Joseph Crowley (NY)
Rep. Eliot Engel (NY)
Rep. Kirsten Gillibrand (NY)
Rep. John Hall (NY)
Rep. Brian Higgins (NY)
Rep. Maurice Hinchey (NY)
Rep. Steve Israel (NY)
Rep. Nita Lowey (NY)
Rep. Carolyn Maloney (NY)
Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (NY)
Rep. Michael McNulty (NY)
Rep. Gregory Meeks (NY)
Rep. Jerrold Nadler (NY)
Rep. Charles Rangel (NY)
Richard Schaffer (NY)
Rep. Jose Serrano (NY)
Rep. Louise Slaughter (NY)
Rep. Edolphus Towns (NY)
Rep. Nydia Velazquez (NY)
Rep. Anthony Weiner (NY)
Rep. Yvette D. Clarke (NY)
DNC June O’Neill (NY)
DNC Dave Pollak (NY)
DNC Randi Weingarten (NY)
DNC Vivian Cook (NY)
DNC Emily Giske (NY)
DNC Judith Hope (NY)
DNC Maria Luna (NY)
DNC Sheldon Silver (NY)
DNC Robert Zimmerman (NY)
DNC Hon. David Paterson (NY)
DNC Susan Burgess (NC)
Gov. Ted Strickland (OH)
Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones (OH)
DNC Betty McElderry (OK)
Gov. Ted Kulongoski (OR)
Rep. Darlene Hooley (OR)
Gov. Ed Rendell (PA)
DNC Hon. TJ Rooney (PA)
Rep. Joe Sestak (PA)
Rep. Allyson Schwartz (PA)
Rep. Paul Kanjorski (PA)
DNC Rena Baumgartner (PA)
DNC Jean Milko (PA)
DNC Roberto Prats Palerm (PR)
DNC Kenneth McClintock (PR)
DNC Francisco Domenec (PR)
Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (RI)
Rep. Jim Langevin (RI)
DNC David Cicilline (RI)
DNC William Lynch (RI)
DNC Mark Weiner (RI)
DNC Don Fowler (SC)
DNC Marva Smalls (SC)
DNC Bill Owen (TN)
DNC Elisa Parker (TN)
DNC Hon. Myron Lowery (TN)
Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (TX)
Rep. Henry Cuellar (TX)
DNC Sue Lovell (TX)
DNC Senfronia Thompson (TX)
DNC Denise Johnson (TX)
Rep. Ruben Hinojosa (TX)
Rep. Silvestre Reyes (TX)
Rep. Gene Green (TX)
Rep. Solomon Ortiz (TX)
Former Speaker Jim Wright (TX)
DNC Norma Fisher Flores (TX)
DNC David Holmes (TX)
DNC Hon. Karen Hale (UT)
DNC Helen Langan (UT)
DNC Terry McAuliffe (VA)
DNC Jennifer McClellan (VA)
DNC Mame Reiley (VA)
DNC Lionel Spruill Sr. (VA)
DNC Susan Swecker (VA)
Del. Donna M Christensen (VI)
Billi Gosh (VT)
Sen. Maria Cantwell (WA)
Sen. Patty Murray (WA)
Rep. Jay Inslee (WA)
Former Speaker Tom Foley (WA)
DNC Ron Sims (WA)
Rep. Norm Dicks (WA)
Rep. Tammy Baldwin (WI)
DNC Tim Sullivan (WI)
Obama
Rep. Artur Davis (AL)
Del. Eni FH Faleomavaga (AS)
Theresa Hunkin (AS)
Gov. Janet Napolitano (AZ)
Rep. Raul Grijalva (AZ)
Rep. Anna Eshoo (CA)
Rep. Xavier Becerra (CA)
Rep. Barbara Lee (CA)
Rep. Adam Schiff (CA)
Rep. George Miller (CA)
Rep Zoe Lofgren (CA)
Rep. Linda Sanchez (CA)
DNC Hon. Eric Garcetti (CA)
DNC Norma Torres (CA)
Rep. Ed Perlmutter (CO)
DNC Dan Slater (CO)
Debbie Marquez (CO)
DNC JW Postal (CO)
Rep. Chris Murphy (CT)
Rep. John Larson (CT)
DNC Stephen Fontana (CT)
DNC Martin Dunleavy (CT)
Rosa DeLauro (CT)
Anthony Avallone (CT)
Mayor Adrian Fenty (DC)
DNC Dr. James Zogby (DC)
DNC Arrington Dixon (DC)
Rep. Robert Wexler (FL)
DNC Allan Katz (FL)
Rep. Sanford Bishop (GA)
Rep. Hank Johnson (GA)
Mayor Shirley Franklin (GA) **
Rep. Neil Abercrombie (HI)
DNC Hon. Gail Bray (ID)
DNC Grant Burgoyne (ID)
Gov. Rod Blagojevich (IL)
Sen. Barack Obama (IL)
Sen. Dick Durbin (IL)
Rep. Melissa Bean (IL)
Rep. Jerry Costello (IL)
Rep. Danny Davis (IL)
Rep. Luis Gutierrez (IL)
Rep. Phil Hare (IL)
Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. (IL)
Rep. Bobby Rush (IL)
Rep. Jan Schakowsky (IL)
DNC Constance Howard (IL)
DNC Margaret Blackshere (IL)
DNC Hon. Emil Jones Jr. (IL)
DNC Hon. Iris Martinez (IL)
DNC Tom Hynes (IL)
DNC Willie Barrow (IL)
DNC Michael Madigan (IL)
Rep. Dave Loebsack (IA)
Gov. Chet Culber (IA)
DNC Michael Fitzgerald (IA)
Gov. Kathleen Sebelius (KS)
DNC E. Lee Kinch (KS)
DNC Randy Roy (KS)
Rep. John Yarmuth (KY)
Rep. Albert Wynn (MD)
Rep. Elijah Cummings (MD)
DNC Karren Pope-Onwukwe (MD)
Gov. Deval Patrick (MA)
Sen. John Kerry (MA)
Sen. Ted Kennedy (MA)
Rep. William Delahunt (MA)
Rep. Michael Capuano (MA)
DNC Alan Solomont (MA)
Rep. John Conyers (MI)
Rep. Jim Oberstar (MN)
Rep. Keith Ellison (MN)
Rep. Tim Walz (MN)
Rep. Betty McCollum (MN)
Hon. Mee Moua (MN)
Ken Foxworth (MN)
Rep. Bennie Thompson (MS)
DNC Johnnie Patton (MS)
Sen. Claire McCaskill (MO)
Rep. Russ Carnahan (MO)
Rep. Lacy Clay (MO)
Mark Bryant (MO)
Sen. Ben Nelson (NE)
Vince Powers (NE)
Frank LaMere (NE)
Rep. Steve Rothman (NJ)
DNC Steven Horsford (NV)
Rep. Carol Shea-Porter (NH)
Rep. Paul Hodes (NH)
DNC Hon. Martha Fuller Clark (NH)
Fmr DNC Chair Fred Harris (NM)
Rep. G.K. Butterfield (NC)
DNC Everett Ward (NC)
Sen. Kent Conrad (ND)
Rep. Earl Pomeroy (ND)
DNC Jim Maxson (ND)
DNC Mary Wakefield (ND)
DNC Kitti Asbury - (OK)
Rep. Earl Blumenauer (OR)
Rep. Patrick Murphy (PA)
Rep. Chaka Fattah (PA)
Rep. Patrick Kennedy (RI)
DNC Patrick Lynch (RI)
DNC Waring Howe Jr. (SC)
Sen. Tim Johnson (SD)
Fmr Sen. Tom Daschle (SD)
Rep. Jim Cooper (TN)
Rep. Steve Cohen (TN)
DNC Lois DeBerry (TN)
Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson (TX)
Rep. Al Green (TX)
DNC Moses Mercado (TX)
DNC Bill Orton (UT)
Sen. Patrick Leahy (VT)
Rep. Peter Welch (VT)
Gov. Tim Kaine (VA)
Rick Boucher (VA)
Rep. Bobby Scott (VA)
Gov. John P. deJongh, Jr. (VI)
Judy Bevans (VT)
DNC Chuck Ross Jr. (VT)
Rep. Adam Smith (WA)
Pat Notter (WA)
Gov. Christine Gregoire (WA)
Rep. Gwen Moore (WI)
Gov. Jim Doyle (WI)
Rep. David Obey (WI)
DNC Peter Jorgenson (WY)
DNC John Millin (WY)
You are correct. Just look at this mess! The Reps have virtually coronated McCain as the presumptive nominee yet this "Miracle winner" has yet to pull much over 30% in any of the lead up Primaries. To boot, he can't even pull more than 26% in today's Washington Caucuses and is barely tied with Huckabee in La.
And this is the guy who is to face either of these well organized, well financed and very, very energized with momentum. Give me a break. It will be a slaughter.
McCain win in November. IMO no way and I stand ready to take substantial, even up bets on this stance.
I can't discount your analysis - because it is plausible. Given the ruthless history of the Clintons, I know they will fight to the bitter end.
If Hillary does somehow get those Florida delegates illegally thrown into the mix, she will end up "Burning the village in order to save it."
There will be blood on the floor of the Democrat Convention.