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To: b_sharp
I apologize for not referring back to my original source. If you're interested I'll get it for you.

b_sharp, can we cut through to the point on this? Evolution has a myriad of problems. Just a couple of them: 1) People have to suspend 2LoT in order to buy evolution. 2) There is no known evidence of one species jumping to another. As I said earlier, it is therefore certainly easy to maintain that there is not one shred of scientific evidence of a fish becoming an animal or of a monkey becoming a man.

Compare that with the mountains of evidence and proof that the universe and this world with its innumerable trillions of intricacies, is the product of intelligent design. Intelligent design points to the existence of an intelligent Creator. One wonders why intelligent people continue to deny creation and hold onto evolution. My answer is that in the final analysis, some people have a built-in bias against the existence of God. Why? Because the existence of God means there is One with whom you may have to deal. This is true, but if you don't know Him, you're missing out, because God is Love. Try him, you'll like him.

56 posted on 02/10/2008 10:18:27 AM PST by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216
"I apologize for not referring back to my original source. If you're interested I'll get it for you."

No, that's fine. It's just a little clearer when you put quotes around non-original comments.

"b_sharp, can we cut through to the point on this? Evolution has a myriad of problems.

Our understanding is incomplete.

"Just a couple of them:
1) People have to suspend 2LoT in order to buy evolution.

No they don't. If you believe evolution in some way runs counter to the 2Lot, then you either have a misunderstanding of evolution or the 2LoT, or both.

2) There is no known evidence of one species jumping to another.

Evolution does not propose that one species jumped to another.

"As I said earlier, it is therefore certainly easy to maintain that there is not one shred of scientific evidence of a fish becoming an animal or of a monkey becoming a man.

You mean besides the fossil record, molecular evidence, and behavioral evidence all neatly tied together into a nested hierarchy?

"Compare that with the mountains of evidence and proof that the universe and this world with its innumerable trillions of intricacies, is the product of intelligent design.

Such as?

There is no direct line from complexity to design. Even Dembski admits this which is why he added specificity. Unfortunately the identification of his 'specificity' is subjective and requires prior knowledge of the context, including the capabilities, habits and desires of the designer.

The entire proof of God through evidence of design is a Ouroborian tale.

If you require natural complexity from simple origins I suggest you examine complex systems on the verge of chaos.

"Intelligent design points to the existence of an intelligent Creator.

Intelligent creator, not Creator. The only example we have of an intelligent creator is humanity, and a few animals.

"One wonders why intelligent people continue to deny creation and hold onto evolution.

Because we follow where the evidence leads rather than trying to lead the evidence.

"My answer is that in the final analysis, some people have a built-in bias against the existence of God. Why? Because the existence of God means there is One with whom you may have to deal. This is true, but if you don't know Him, you're missing out, because God is Love. Try him, you'll like him.

I come from a creationist family and at one time wanted to become a Lutheran Pastor. By the time I was 13 I could see how nonsensical the Bible was. By the time I was 14 I could clearly see the lack of evidence for a god.

Why would I believe in something that clearly leaves no evidence?

63 posted on 02/10/2008 11:09:57 AM PST by b_sharp
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