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RFID: What sort of trouble does this technology enable?
Firearms&Freedom ^ | 2008-02-08 | Mike Acker

Posted on 02/08/2008 5:55:20 AM PST by Mike Acker

What sort of trouble does this technology enable?

Technology can be a Good Thing but that doesn't mean we should fall over the bar-stool implementing new technology -- "just because it's there"

We need to ask the question: What sort of trouble does this new technology enable?" before we proceed.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: realid; rfid
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To: misterrob

Of course it does, but it can still be mis-used, and thankfully, at least for now, we don’t have to use them.

I don’t think a concern for individual privacy, is really that hysterical.


61 posted on 02/08/2008 10:49:25 AM PST by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: stuartcr

——Location, to me, is the biggest one.——

To me that is a small part of the autonomy that will be given up by the use of RFID tags. The smooth transition to a cashless society is only possible in my opinion by RFID tags mandated for everyone. Once a cashless society is in place, the government will eventually have a complete record of all transactions(and by association most interactions) that it would be easy to target any group for elimination.

I would not have a problem with this if I trusted that all governments from that time forward would only use this incredible power to eliminate true evil from the world.


62 posted on 02/08/2008 11:20:37 AM PST by ResponseAbility
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To: stuartcr

You can say that about a lot of different technologies though.


63 posted on 02/08/2008 11:21:07 AM PST by misterrob
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To: ResponseAbility

I agree. I’m just glad I probably won’t live to see it.


64 posted on 02/08/2008 11:54:12 AM PST by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: misterrob

True, but this is the latest one that really bothers me.


65 posted on 02/08/2008 11:54:48 AM PST by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: stuartcr

Au contraire , you are living and reacting to this now(in a positive way IMO) and will have to make many choices because of its advances.


66 posted on 02/08/2008 12:19:09 PM PST by ResponseAbility
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To: ResponseAbility

I don’t think a cashless society will happen for a while.


67 posted on 02/08/2008 12:20:51 PM PST by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: Lazamataz

Can I play with your ZOT hammer?


68 posted on 02/08/2008 12:29:02 PM PST by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*RWVA)
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To: EdReform
Can I play with your ZOT hammer?

I only let chicks play with my Zot Hammer.

Cuz I'm always looking for a Hot Hummer.

69 posted on 02/08/2008 12:31:29 PM PST by Lazamataz (Why isnÂ’t this in Breaking News????)
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To: Lazamataz

LOL! You are SOOOO evil!

Those lightning bolts are sure cool, tho!


70 posted on 02/08/2008 12:40:58 PM PST by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*RWVA)
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To: ResponseAbility

I really can’t stop you from rephrasing the sentence - However, I’m confident nothing was wrong with my sentence.


71 posted on 02/08/2008 12:50:51 PM PST by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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To: stuartcr

Its also not going to happen overnight. There will be lots of changes that will need to be coped with. A revenue stream shortened here, cutoff there. Many people will give in.


72 posted on 02/08/2008 1:26:31 PM PST by ResponseAbility
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To: Bear_Slayer

Your sentence implies that the collective can dictate to the masses under a democratic rule. We live in a Republic which has supposedly forestalled that process.


73 posted on 02/08/2008 1:26:43 PM PST by ResponseAbility
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To: ResponseAbility
It does no such thing. It summarizes the difference between people's right's, given by God and government's powers, givn by a free people.

Your sentence may elaborate more, but my sentence in no way implies a democracy over a republic.

I know the difference.

I believe you are believe hypersensitive.

74 posted on 02/08/2008 1:43:09 PM PST by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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To: Bear_Slayer
being hyper-sensitive
75 posted on 02/08/2008 1:45:18 PM PST by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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To: Bear_Slayer

I in no way want you to think that I am impugning your character or judgment. I consider you an ally in the struggle against those who would subjugate the many. I only posted to make a distinction that I’m sure you understand and that many do not.


76 posted on 02/08/2008 2:32:56 PM PST by ResponseAbility
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To: Lazamataz

SEE?!?

Never bring a stick to a paintball fight!


77 posted on 02/08/2008 3:21:40 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: Mike Acker

Add me to your ping list. You post really strange sh!t and some day I predict you are going to get zotted and I would like a chance for IBTZ.

Thanks for your attention to this.


78 posted on 02/08/2008 7:01:48 PM PST by don-o (Do the RIGHT thing. Become a monthly donor. End Freepathons forever)
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To: ReignOfError
Thank ou for a very well thought out reply

I certainly do not disagree that RFID can be useful -- in the right place

The Main Idea that I am looking at in this thread is that i think we should look carefully at the possibilities available to criminal use when we consider deploying a new technology

To gleefully start putting a new technology into service in every way that is available without first considering criminal security risks associated with each use, is, well -- careless, at best

How much data will be stored in the RFID? If a thief steals it with a portable transponder will he acquire enough data to use in some illegal manner?

Again, the main thing I'm saying in this thread is that we need to carefully review the possible criminal use of a technology before we gleefully deploy it all around the country

as I point out in my example, this was not done for remote software update capabilities for computers and this has resulted in and epidemic of insidious computer crime

There is hope though. Congress has passed laws already regarding computer crime with more on the way -- in particular HR.964. The formation of the Authentication and Online Trust Alliance for example, shows a wide-spread industry concern over the issue of computer security, generally

The recently published book GEEKONOMICS by David Rice provides much insight into how we got where were are and where we need to go with respect to computer systems and network security management. Quickly, the software business has taken about 50 years to develop. But the time has come to treat software as engineering instead of as a black art and with this change we will assert some level of expectations and back that up with product liability -- just as we do for most of the products sold and used in the country today.

I agree with the theme of David's book. I like the provisions in HR.964. And I think that as a minimum product liability for software manufacture and maintenance must enable us to enforce the provisions in HR.964

I do think that I'm still responsible for what I do with my computer: if I add up a report wrong and turn it in to my boss that's my woops -- not the software mfr. But when I send my report to my boss if the software also transmits a copy of my report to some gumshoe in Chicago without my knowledge that is a product liability issue for the software mfr.

Think about this: if you have a RAT (remote administrative trojan) in your computer HTTPS is meaningless.

All of us have a right to clean computers where clean means running only the software intentionally installed byt the user

79 posted on 02/09/2008 4:38:20 AM PST by Mike Acker
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To: Lazamataz; Mike Acker
You should heed Laz's words...

Not only has he been to the dark side of the moon and back, he turned me into a newt!

(And if you are really observant you will note that the letters in "Lazamataz" cannot be rearranged to spell "BLACK COPTER DEATH PILOT" which is a dead giveaway...)

80 posted on 02/09/2008 4:46:49 AM PST by Mad Dawgg ("`Eddies,' said Ford, `in the space-time continuum.' `Ah,' nodded Arthur, `is he? Is he?'")
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