Posted on 02/08/2008 3:57:52 AM PST by Man50D
Only months after a new state law effectively banned "mom" and "dad" from California schools, a total of 600,000 students could follow because of what has been described as the "repudiation" of 2,000 years of Christian morality, according to leaders of a new campaign assembling education alternatives.
The campaign is called California Exodus, and is being headed by Ron Gleason, pastor of Grace Presbyterian Church in Yorba Linda, who said while the country excels in social, economic, scientific and political accomplishments, it "gets low grades on the education of its children."
The issue is the state legislature's adoption of Senate Bill 777, which requires only positive portrayals of homosexual, bisexual, transgender and other alternative lifestyle choices.
"First, the law allowed public schools to voluntarily promote homosexuality, bisexuality, and transsexuality. Then, the law required public schools to accept homosexual, bisexual, and transsexual teachers as role models for impressionable children. Now, the law has been changed to effectively require the positive portrayal of homosexuality, bisexuality, and transsexuality to six million children in California government-controlled schools," said Randy Thomasson, chief of the Campaign for Children and Families and one of those who originally called for an abandonment of public schools.
"To rescue their children, loving parents need to find an alternative to government schools, and every church needs to make it a priority to help parents be in charge of their children's education again," he said.
He has condemned public school districts as "no longer a safe emotional environment for children" under the new law, signed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, that will introduce children as young as kindergarten to the homosexuality and other alternative lifestyle choices.
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LOL, you go ahead, look at your own words. Be big enough to recognize that you are the one here calling other posters names. Or not. But understand, I condemn as EVIL the system you seem to defend. I will always do so. Get used to that fact.
Oh good, so you now claim that threads like this are OK for you to engage in personal attacks. Wjhat gives you that privilege, eh?
You are the one claiming I stated something I didn’t. Please show me where I did not recognize where and when I did not recognize what I have done.
Asking a question is NOT the same as claiming something. Even my 9 year old, who attends one of your hated oublic schools, knows the difference.
The homosexuals got a gay rights bill passed about twenty years ago in Massachusetts. They agitated for years until they got it passed. Over the years they have pushed for more demands and finally they got gay marriage. This was all forseeable but many of the “good” people wanted to be “fair”. They didn’t want anyone to be “discriminated” against yada yada yada.
I’m not a wimp, when I am attacked I fight back. If you find that offensive so be it. That’s a personal problem and not a problem of mine.
“If you find that offensive so be it. “
Name calling is offensive and violates the rules. Nor were you attacked. You chose to take offense at evil being called evil. You then chose to call others names. Including your smarmy “questions”. That type of intelectual vacuity is the mark of a bully, not a wimp. And that is, in my opinion, the way you are acting. And yes, that is your problem. Get help.
ROFL.............I asked a question and you claim I made a statement and you call me a bully? You’re too funny.
I am not familiar with Garland, Texas. Is it in some liberal enclave?
Where do you suppose this political correctness is coming from in the schools? Does it come from the school board, the superintendent, the political establisment in the town or state government? I undertand that Austin, the capital is quite liberal?
Is there some way to meet with the school board, superintendent etc. several times throughout the school year to discuss the teaching materials and lessons? What about forming a group that would show up at school board meetings. A group like this could be a counterweight to the schools establishment especially if the group continues from year to year. One of the problems that parents have is that they are isolated from each other whereas the school administration is unified. Also, should a parent try to get involved, the involvement would last only as long as their children are in school but if there is a community group, hopefully it could continue year after year and generation after generation.
Is there some national group of parents who are trying to assert their rights in the school systems? If there was unity and shared experience parents could be a strong force for good.
The big joke is that we don’t NEED any federal money. The federal government needs OUR money. All of the money in Washington comes from the individual states. What a bunch of malarkey that we need federal money.
This might be a good way for people to realize what a sham big Washington really is. What if Utah or some other state pulls out of the federal school system and realizes it has plenty of money to educate their kids with their own money.
Where I live the going rate for a tutor is $40/50 per hour.
My daughter’s tuition is $3200 a year going to $4000 (for various reasons - including increased teachers pay) next year.
Just for perspective.
The whole stinkin’ world system is out to destroy them and their faith. I don’t thing 17 is too young to expose him to stuff he’ll encounter in college and the world.
I posted a link to another post of mine and it explains some about the school in the community in which we currently live.
There are certainly schools that I would NEVER have sent them to, but this one is not as bad. It’s VERY small, graduating class size between 80 and 100.
My kids talk to me and tell me everything that happens in their classes. I ask if anything has come up that would be considered indoctrination. Aside from the one teacher who’s on a save Africa kick, the rest of them teach the subject. My kids have written papers that don’t give the teachers the BS PC propaganda and they get great grades on them. They hold the kids accountable, if the work isn’t done, they don’t get passed anyway. The faculty does not put up with back talk or disorder; behavior issues are dealt with immediately. My son wears his Christian t-shirts all the time and nobody says anything to him about it. This is a very heavily Catholic community with no local Catholic school, so the parents send their kids there. These parents are no wimps either. They keep the school in line.
A large percentage of the teachers grew up here and have come back to teach. The teachers are teaching their cousins, neighbors, former classmates, and kids they used to baby sit. They have a vested interest in doing that.
The system has been hijacked by evil for evil. There’s no doubt about the intent of special interest groups using it to push their agenda. But nobody is going to be won over by calling them child abusers. There’s better ways to win people over, like facts and statistics. Reasoning with them.
If I want a flame fest, I can go on any crevo thread and get it there just fine. Education threads don’t need to go that way. So, since I’ve had my say and everyone knows where I stand, I’m bowing out and waiting for the next civil thread to come along.
My daughters are 9 and 12, and best friends.
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Our experience as well, also noticed by our non-homeschooling acquaintances .
From METMOM...
Well, if sending your kid to a public school is child abuse, then count me in. We homeschooled for 12 years. My oldest daughter went to the public school for her senior year because she finished high school in three years. My son is currently going for his senior year. Both have done fine; they are not warped or twisted of destroyed by *the system*. I addressed that in another post on the Homeschool wish list thread.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1965387/posts?page=274#274
I am as pro-homeschooling as they come but the decision to send our kids to the public school was ours and ours alone. I know many other committed homeschoolers who have sent their kids to public school for either all of high school or their last year, as we have. I do not think any less of them for that. They did not change as people or become any less spiritual.
For the most part, I am no fan of the public school system as it stands. There is a lot wrong with it. I agree that it cannot be religiously neutral. I also see that it has been hijacked by the leftists and is heavily promoting socialism. So yes, there are problems, BUT.....
People who send their kids to school are not child abusers. It is not a fact that they are, that’s only an OPINION.
Parents who send their kids to public schools DO love their kids as much as homeschoolers. They are doing what they believe is best for their child out of that love, and without knowing anybody’s circumstances, no one can pass judgment and say they are not.
Christians who send their kids to public schools or teach or work there in any capacity are not bad Christians. Again, that’s an OPINION and should not be stated as a fact. If that is what God has called someone to do, then they answer to Him and Him only about it, nobody else. No one is in a position of telling another that God could not have possibly called someone to do something just because THEY don’t think it’s right. One of the chapter leaders in our homeschool support group is a public school teacher. I was told that at one point the lawyer for the NYS Dept of Ed was a homeschooler.
The public school system will fail when it pushes it too far and people finally abandon it. This sort of thing that this thread is about is one such thing, but nobody is going to join and eliminate public education through a grass roots movement. There’s too much inertia to over come.
The homeschool threads have really deteriorated lately. They’ve become so inflammatory that no reasonable discussion can occur. People are not free to ask questions without worrying about getting jumped on. FR is a great resource and discussion should not be stifled from that fear.
So, it’s well past time to knock off the rude, obnoxious name-calling behavior. THAT is unChristian, that violates the posting guidelines, that makes Christians and homeschoolers look bad, and that will result in me hitting the abuse button when I see it happen.
205 posted on 02/08/2008 6:43:20 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
You are amazing...and if anyone, I mean ANYONE gives you any grief about Homeschooling or the choices YOU have made with your children, please...please PING ME! I would love to throw in my 2 cents (sometimes I even have 3 cents..) ]
You have made a strong and bold statement here....I hope that it helps to bring about an atmosphere that allows for civil discussion.
I am one who would benefit from such discussion. As much as I loathe the ongoing accusations of child abuse that have been occuring, it doesn't mean that I am thrilled with everything in and from our public school.
As such...there are things I am doing at home that I feel would benefit my child. Sometimes I would like to be able to throw out a question...perhaps regarding curriculm...and I would LOVE to hear the comments of public school teachers...private school teachers and teachers of homeschool children.. We, as conservatives are MUCH more likely to agree with each other on these issues, right? (well ...theoretically :-)
So...Metmom I'm rooting for your post!
Written with respect intended to Public and Home Schoolers alike,
Mosby
Question marks are your friend.
You don't teach English do you? I mean, I'm just saying...
ping for later reply.
well done!
Garland is near Dallas but really is not in a “liberal enclave”.
I have seen 2 instances that that I can think of that I would call PC in this school district. The calendar mentioned “winter break” (although they still had “Christmas parties”) and they removed the Stars and Bars from one of the local highschool’s coat of arms (South Garland - home of the Colonels football team and the Southern Belles drill team.)
I’ve never homeschooled, but I’ve known many who have and my son graduated from a small private Christian school in a little town just south of here (Sunnyvale). 8 seniors.
Garland is a long way from teaching that “homosexuality is OK” and taking the words “mom and dad” out of the vocabulary.
Ah, it’s the Public Ed list? I can deal with that. I was thinking it was Another Reason to HomeSchool. And then I saw what was being said, and that threw me for a loop.
And FYIW, I was thinking that you were slamming me along with winter for whatever reason. (Or looking to call people in to support you in slamming winter)
I was confused. If it was simply Attn Public Ed, I would prefer to stay on please. Sorry for the misunderstanding on my end, I just honestly didn’t know why I was pinged in the middle of an arguement.
FRegards.
This is an informal forum so posters are probably not as careful about punctuation. If this bothers you then feel free to disregard my posts. Your post added nothing to the discussion. Here’s some question marks for you. ????????????????? There!!!
Thank you for a good point. I don't like pinging the PS list once the thread is lengthy as the original post is long past and the thread has evolved into the expected patterns. ALL public school threads that develop beyond a few posts end up the same way, with the same accusations of public schooling being evil, child abuse, Marxist, and public school teachers being either naive, evil, or just dumb. Conversely, when someone posts that they don't see this going on in their school, they are then subject to ridicule.
I'm going to chat with my compadres about the timing of pinging the PS list. We three are new to ping lists and are still learning the ropes - heck I imagine will we still be learning the ropes months from now - so this might be an area for a good discussion.
Thank you for your opinion - it is quite helpful. I welcome helpful instruction and the pointing out of a confusing issue.
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