Posted on 02/08/2008 3:57:52 AM PST by Man50D
Only months after a new state law effectively banned "mom" and "dad" from California schools, a total of 600,000 students could follow because of what has been described as the "repudiation" of 2,000 years of Christian morality, according to leaders of a new campaign assembling education alternatives.
The campaign is called California Exodus, and is being headed by Ron Gleason, pastor of Grace Presbyterian Church in Yorba Linda, who said while the country excels in social, economic, scientific and political accomplishments, it "gets low grades on the education of its children."
The issue is the state legislature's adoption of Senate Bill 777, which requires only positive portrayals of homosexual, bisexual, transgender and other alternative lifestyle choices.
"First, the law allowed public schools to voluntarily promote homosexuality, bisexuality, and transsexuality. Then, the law required public schools to accept homosexual, bisexual, and transsexual teachers as role models for impressionable children. Now, the law has been changed to effectively require the positive portrayal of homosexuality, bisexuality, and transsexuality to six million children in California government-controlled schools," said Randy Thomasson, chief of the Campaign for Children and Families and one of those who originally called for an abandonment of public schools.
"To rescue their children, loving parents need to find an alternative to government schools, and every church needs to make it a priority to help parents be in charge of their children's education again," he said.
He has condemned public school districts as "no longer a safe emotional environment for children" under the new law, signed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, that will introduce children as young as kindergarten to the homosexuality and other alternative lifestyle choices.
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Nothing much. He did veto the illegal alien driver license thing, but that’s the only plus I can come up with.
I’m still furious with the jacka$$es who inserted him in the middle of the recall. The reason, as usual, “you’ll get Bustemente (or whatever his name is) if you don’t vote for Arnold. He’s the only conservative who can win.”
And then, of course, the idiots who vote went nuts over him because he’s famous! Everybody knows Arnold! He’ll be a great conservative governor!
There was a petition going around late last year to get signatures to put a repeal of this law on the ballot for November. The deadline was in November or December. My husband and I signed but I haven’t heard anything about it since. Must not have gotten enough signatures.
I’ll have to google around to see what I can find.
Gabz,
Please read post #187.
I am no longer the only one saying the teachers need to re-evaluate what good or harm they are doing for children in the government schools.
When the California Exodus Mandate starts asking teachers this question then a **lot** more will be as well! (Soon!) This organization is a powerful force for influencing opinion. They have a lot of dedicated and smart people working to change people’s minds.
Good ideas will not be shut down by telling me that I am “hatred filled”, “obnoxious” or have “gone over the deep end.”
Arnold’s kids go to the best private schools, what does he care.
Well, if sending your kid to a public school is child abuse, then count me in. We homeschooled for 12 years. My oldest daughter went to the public school for her senior year because she finished high school in three years. My son is currently going for his senior year. Both have done fine; they are not warped or twisted of destroyed by *the system*. I addressed that in another post on the Homeschool wish list thread.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1965387/posts?page=274#274
I am as pro-homeschooling as they come but the decision to send our kids to the public school was ours and ours alone. I know many other committed homeschoolers who have sent their kids to public school for either all of high school or their last year, as we have. I do not think any less of them for that. They did not change as people or become any less spiritual.
For the most part, I am no fan of the public school system as it stands. There is a lot wrong with it. I agree that it cannot be religiously neutral. I also see that it has been hijacked by the leftists and is heavily promoting socialism. So yes, there are problems, BUT.....
People who send their kids to school are not child abusers. It is not a fact that they are, that’s only an OPINION.
Parents who send their kids to public schools DO love their kids as much as homeschoolers. They are doing what they believe is best for their child out of that love, and without knowing anybody’s circumstances, no one can pass judgment and say they are not.
Christians who send their kids to public schools or teach or work there in any capacity are not bad Christians. Again, that’s an OPINION and should not be stated as a fact. If that is what God has called someone to do, then they answer to Him and Him only about it, nobody else. No one is in a position of telling another that God could not have possibly called someone to do something just because THEY don’t think it’s right. One of the chapter leaders in our homeschool support group is a public school teacher. I was told that at one point the lawyer for the NYS Dept of Ed was a homeschooler.
The public school system will fail when it pushes it too far and people finally abandon it. This sort of thing that this thread is about is one such thing, but nobody is going to join and eliminate public education through a grass roots movement. There’s too much inertia to over come.
The homeschool threads have really deteriorated lately. They’ve become so inflammatory that no reasonable discussion can occur. People are not free to ask questions without worrying about getting jumped on. FR is a great resource and discussion should not be stifled from that fear.
So, it’s well past time to knock off the rude, obnoxious name-calling behavior. THAT is unChristian, that violates the posting guidelines, that makes Christians and homeschoolers look bad, and that will result in me hitting the abuse button when I see it happen.
I do too, but I think it's so tied in with our culture and politics that it's impossible to blame all the issues on school personnel.
School personnel can't control family lives, and they can't control what the courts force on them, or what the politicians legislate for them to do.
But I was a high school (public school) teacher and now sub teach at all levels. I have huge issues with the NEA, AFT, teacher unions and hate that teachers are unionized. I live in the NE and I’m starting to learn/think that the public ed system here is different than other regions.
I'm sure that it's very different from the South, where I am. Unions are not big here, but church and the military are...so far, homosexuality isn't real popular either, although to some extent the attitude is live and let live, as long as it's "quiet" homosexuality. The "in your face" stuff isn't well tolerated here...
“It is unfortunate that you have gone from conducting a defense of a small, rural school district to making slanderous claims.”
Nothing slanderous here, especially since slander is the spoken word.
That was "my" first election in 1948. We had to wait in long lines for over an hour. My parents voted for him. I looked it up recently.
Had I done what you claim I did, you would be correct, however I didn't. I ASKED a question, I did not make a statement, unlike you and wintertime. You may not like the question asked, but it is just a question, not a declarative, and often abusively offensive statement.
Good point. Some of it probably depends on the school, and some are just not fit to send your kids to because of the violence, very negtaive influences, bad language (we didn't dare), and class disruption.
Parental involvement and encouragement are the key if you can't afford to send your kids to private school or feel unqualified to homeschool them yourself.
Begin a grandmother, I don't get to see the whole picture in the local schools, but I get glimpses, have seen some of the teaching materials, and a lot of it I wouldn't want my kids subjected to now. But if you stick to the basics and get your kids in the math and sciences classes, it might be a little better.
We didn't have prayer in school but we could have Christmas programs (I read from the bible in the 1950's), and all the secular and religious Christmas carols.
ITA with that (the blaming of all issues on school personnel). and most teachers I know want parental involvement and then get it to the point that the teacher is harassed and the sole source of the kid’s achievement/success. We’re in a horrible era when a teacher can be the end all for a student, and parents wanting that (am I making sense?). Hell, parents and the home should be the big deal, the qualifier so to speak. I know without a doubt that my kids will question teachers, will tell me what’s bothering them about something a teacher said, and we’ll talk about it. Ex., my teacher said global warming is such and such, and I say nope and we discuss it. Or, the most common, mom are gay people normal, is that normal? nope, and they’re not gay people, they’re homosexuals and call them as such. And it’s a sexual perversion not a lifestyle. And it ain’t normal. Stuff like that.
I think we discussed the differences between the north and south at one point but maybe I’m wrong. Unions are huge here and even if one doesn’t join it, one pays at least 60/80% anyway in dues taken out of the paycheck and by not joining, one doesn’t get any backing at all and at times is harassed. I know.
Oh no. Not here. We’ve been fighting our school board and township on the whole homo video. Long story. The fight has been going on for over a year now (between the school district, the board, and parents). It’s been pulled for now but the ACLU and Garden State Equality have taken us to court and now suing us. And I’m sure no matter how it ends up,it’s going to cost me as a taxpayer. But I won’t stop fighting no matter how screwed up I think public education is.
Church and Military are not welcomed in this area. Sure, the students, at least most of them appreciate both, and most teachers do, but the Admin, the board, everything else, nope. It’s considered awful. And we used to be a conversative town, and to hell with those that had a problem with it. Now, it’s the opposite. To hell with those of us that have a problem with the liberal, primarily homo, agenda. We’re only parents and taxpayers and have no say according to them.
Apparently at some point in time you were included on the "ping list" regarding public education.........I did not create this list, I am just helping out with it. Believe me, you are OFF the list I have, but it may take a ping or 2 before you are forever free of being bothered again.
Believe me, I read all of your posts.
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Good ideas are good ideas, no question about that premise.
However, I stand by my description of you and others like you.
What an awesome statement.
“Both have done fine; they are not warped or twisted of destroyed by *the system*. “
Some kids, especially those lucky enough to have avoided the early indoctrination and lucky enough to have very strong families can survive the system. Some folks survived Pol Pot too. Evil remains evil. Choosing to risk your children in that fashion is your choice, but it is a real risk. I refuse to be silent. I have seen too many seduced and destroyed by the evil system that the NEA has crafted and foist upon unsuspecting families.
“I agree that it cannot be religiously neutral. I also see that it has been hijacked by the leftists and is heavily promoting socialism.”
And yet you will subject your children to that poisen? Why?
“So, it’s well past time to knock off the rude, obnoxious name-calling behavior.”
I agree and I hope those defending the evil government schools will desist.
“However, I stand by my description of you and others like you.”
So personal attacks and the like are OK in your world?
Do you have a source for that Dewey quote? I know the quote is all over the internet, particularly on sites promoting homeschooling, but what I’d like is a citation of where Dewey actually wrote or said that...so far I’ve been unable to find that, or the quote in context of what Dewey was supposedly saying.
I’ve read several of Dewey’s books in my education classes, and in those Dewey was in favor of children learning to think for themselves. I find it hard to believe that he would wish to prevent this.
... you are an obnoxious, hatred filled ...
Under normal circumstances my answer would be an unequivocal and extremely loud NO. Threads such as this and posts such as I responded to do not fall into the category of normal circumstances as far as I am concerned.
I see where you call wintertime insane.
Please point out where I said such a thing.
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