Posted on 02/06/2008 1:23:05 PM PST by blam
Time travellers from the future 'could be here in weeks'
By Roger Highfield, Science Editor
Last Updated: 6:01pm GMT 06/02/2008
The first time travellers from the future could materialise on Earth within a few weeks.
Physicists around the world are excitedly awaiting the start up of the £4.65 billion Large Hadron Collider, LHC - the most powerful atom-smasher ever built - which is supposed to shed new light on the particles and forces at work in the cosmos and reproduce conditions that date to near the Big Bang of creation.
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Prof Irina Aref'eva and Dr Igor Volovich, mathematical physicists at the Steklov Mathematical Institute in Moscow believe that the vast experiment at CERN, the European particle physics centre near Geneva in Switzerland, may turn out to be the world's first time machine, reports New Scientist.
The debut in early summer could provide a landmark because travelling into the past is only possible - if it is possible at all - as far back as the point of creation of the first time machine.
That means 2008 could become "Year Zero" for temporal travel, they argue.
Time travel was born when Albert Einstein's colleague, Kurt Gödel, used Einstein's theory of relativity to show that travel into the past was possible.
Ever since he unveiled this idea in 1949, eminent physicists have argued against time travel because it undermines ideas of cause and effect to create paradoxes: a time traveller could go back to kill his grandfather so that he is never born in the first place.
But, sixty years later, there is still no fundamental reason why time travellers cannot put historians out of business.
But the Russians argue that when the energies of the LHC are concentrated into a subatomic particle - a trillionth the size of a mosquito - they can do strange things to the fabric of the universe, which is a blend of space and time that scientists called spacetime.
While Earth's gravity produces gentle distortions in spacetime the LHC energy can distort time so much that it loops back on itself. These loops are known to physicists as "closed timelike curves" and they ought, at least in theory, to allow us to revisit some past moment.
The scheme chimes with one laid out in 1988, when Prof Kip Thorne and colleagues at the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, showed that wormholes, or tunnels through spacetime, would allow time travel, a scheme popularised by Carl Sagan in his novel - made into a film - Contact.
Prof Aref'eva and Dr Volovich believe the LHC could create wormholes and so allow a form of time travel. "We realised that closed timelike curves and wormholes could also be a result of collisions of particles," Prof Aref'eva says.
There are still plenty of obstacles for the likes of Dr Who, however. Not least of them is the fact that these are mini wormholes, so only subatomic particles are small enough to travel through them.
Time travel could be possible ... in the future How the Time Machine works They tell The Daily Telegraph that whether subatomic time travel in the LHC would open the doors for human scale time travellers "is a deep and interesting question" but stress that "these problems, and many others as well, require further investigations."
Probably the best we can hope for is that the LHC may show a signature of the wormholes' existence, Dr Volovich says. If some of the energy from collisions in the LHC goes missing, it could be because the collisions created particles that have travelled into a wormhole and through time.
One sticking point until now for wormhole concepts is finding an exotic kind of material capable of keeping the maw of the wormhole open for time travel.
Dark energy - a mysterious antigravity force that is thought to pervade the universe - could, they say, be just what is needed to keep the entrance to a wormhole open, at least according to one family of ideas about its nature, where it is called phantom energy.
If a blend of colliding particles and phantom energy does create a wormhole in Geneva this year, an advanced civilisation could find it in their history books, pinpoint the moment, and take advantage of their technology to pay us a visit.
"The observational evidence still allows for phantom energy," says Robert Caldwell, a physicist at Dartmouth College in Hanover, New Hampshire. "As for Aref'eva and Volovich's speculation that the LHC will produce the stuff of time machines - ugh!"
A leading scientist who believes that time travel may be possible, Prof David Deutsch of Oxford University, comments: "It's speculative in the extreme, but not cranky. For various reasons I don't think the mechanism they propose would work (i.e. provide a pathway for messages from the future) even if their speculations are true."
Dr Brian Cox of the University of Manchester adds: "The energies of billions of cosmic rays that have been hitting the Earth's atmosphere for five billion years far exceed those we will create at the LHC, so by this logic time travellers should be here already. If these wormholes appear I will personally eat the hat I was given for my first birthday before I received it."
I’ll give them the answer now. There is no “time travel” and there will never be, and there never was. It is impossible. never happen. Waste of money and energy.
It’s about causality. We live in a world where one event causes another. The caused event comes after the causing event. Can’t be any other way.
That's why it takes so long for the Galactica to compute a jump solution!
WOW! Deja vu....
Mebbe they could make a bigger time machine and transport the smaller one along with them? You know... just in case?
How believable could this be - everyone knows you need 1.21 jigawatts...
Old news.
Always the posers ... Jesus opened a new dimensional aspect/category/reality of the universe. We ignore the implications of same because we want to believe something different. The spacetime aspects in which we exist are so delicately balanced, if God superceded those parameters to perform miracles, the entire system would collapse. God performs miracles by utilizing an entirely different spacetime than we sense. [See Daniel 5]
I agree completely! Great analogy!
If their premise is true about how time travel is only possible back to the point of creation of the first time machine, why would anybody want to open that can of worms? All you’ll have is people from the future coming back to exploit their unique knowledge of events to come.
Barring some quantum aspect - where even that would seem inconceivable, as the universe is a quantum system after all - convince me that this is possible.
Stan would be ‘Satan’ ... whew, tired fingers.
Well, so says The Telegraph, but I would still like confirmation from an unassailable authority like AP or Reuters. Or Dan Rather.
Consider this: The universe is so delicately balanced as we exist in that if any violation of the balance were to occur, the whole would collapse. God sources miracles in a where/when we are yet to comprehend, but He has not left it totally outside of our clues! Stopping the Jordan River was no where near as astonishing a miracle as changing mere H 2 O into wine.
What do you know for sure..MHGinTN?...
Thats ONLY lineal time.. Eternity(the eternal) sees all three.. at once.. and maybe transcends time.. making time(thingly)..
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