Posted on 02/05/2008 3:42:50 AM PST by Man50D
Congressman John Linder, the Sponsor of HR25 the Fair Tax in the House of Representatives, has begun a program to get a feel for the actual support of the HR25 the Fair Tax. Here is his message: “We need to show that the issue of fundamental tax reform is critical to the economic growth of this nation, and I want to bring a million names to Washington, D.C. to make that point. Please sign on today to show your support for the passage of HR25 to create a simple and fair tax system.”
Go to this website: http://www.johnlinder.com/citizen_co_sponsor.asp and add your name as a citizen co-sponsor of the FairTax. Be sure to pass this information along to all of the supporters (including spouses) that you know and remember to tell all new supporters that you bring on board. Gene Key GA Volunteer State Director
signed - Is there any way we can find out how many have signed on?
Here’s the link to the list of 54 so-sponsor Senators and conresscritters.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:HR00025:@@@P
It is true that Roth's will be taxed under HR 25 as it is written. Taxed over and above the basic necessities. Most people with a Roth have an equal or greater amount in a traditional IRA or a 401(k). Those will be completely untaxed.The tangled web you weave when you practice to deceive.
the fact that the 54 cosponsors of the FAIR TAX are overwhelmingly republican should give us a clue...
the dems no way want to let go of the Gestapo power derived from the IRS
lewis, why do you even bother?
Do you support maintaining the IRS and the income tax as they currently exist or do you have a better idea? If so is there legislation in congress to implement it?
Doesn't abolish the IRS.
Is derived from personal income/wages.
Is mandatory instead of voluntary.
Did I mention that it doesn't abolish the IRS (wage garnishment, frozen bank accounts, property seizure, imprisonment.......)
Probably for the same reasons people fight against gay marriage and amnesty for illegals...
So... punishment of criminal behavior isn't big on your list of "good things" eh?
lewis, why do you even bother?Expose the deceit to keep you honest. You tried with the Roth comment but then you couldn't help yourself with the all the rest comment unless you can show how one is "completely untaxed" and the other isn't.
If you guys were honest it would shut me up. Try it for a change.
“Where is the counter-petition where we sign an acknowledgement that the ‘Fair Tax’ is deeply flawed and that it should never be implemented without those flaws being addressed?”
You are free to start one anywhere and anytime you like. That would be much more constructive than just disrupting FT threads and attacking its supporters as so many FT opponents do. That way you could list out the specific “deep flaws” which must be addressed.
The problem with that approach, of course, is that the opponents probably could not get together on a specific bill of particulars.
“i prefer a flat tax meself.”
Which flat tax proposal do you support?
The IRS makes criminals out of Average Joe's all the time. Just give them the slightest of openings and they'll make a criminal out of you (assuming that you're not posting from your jail cell).
BTW, IRS boy, why should the IRS need to know how many dependents I have?
Why should the IRS know how much money I earn?
Why should the IRS know about my expenses?
Why should the IRS know how many people live in my home?
Why does the IRS need to know what my occupation is?
Why should the IRS know what bank I deal with, what my account number is and have the ability to seize every nickel in it?
Go on back to your Hillary rally, big government boy.
So, exactly how much time did you spend helping Ed Brown and his family up in NH, or were you in on the whole Wesley Snipes scam for some period of time?
What was dishonest about my post re: Roth IRA’s?
Filo said
“My plan doesn’t actually have anything to do with tax collection. It is focused on reducing spending so the government isn’t stealing 1/3 of America’s productivity, regardless of the means.”
THEN YOU ARE ON THE WRONG THREAD.
Why don’t you post on a thread about “How the Government spends money” instead of “How the Government collects money”
So you don't support maintaining the IRS and the income tax. Good for you. You should ask some of your fellow anti's if they agree with you. I have and they won't answer.
You say your plan is focused on reducing government spending. I agree with that premise. How do we start? Better yet, what have you done so far?
That just isn't true. The FT defunds the IRS, destroys its records and makes a point of calling for the repeal of the 16th amendment. No FTer is in favor of passing the legislation without subsequently removing the 16th.
The FT re-taxes previously taxed savings - especially retirement savings.
A bona fide objection which can be addressed in write up. There is also a big boon to other savers who have money tied up in qualified accounts such as IRA's.
Because of the above the FT is especially burdensome on those near or in retirement.
Only those with after tax savings. In my experience managing retirement savings most of it is in pre tax dollars with a large contingent income tax liablity awaiting.
The FT has a socialist wealth-redistribution component - the prebate.
A bad thing, granted. But it removes the EITC and it pacifies the liberals and class warriors.
At 30% the FT rate is too high, especially when it only covers the federal portion of taxation. Add in the state and local taxes and the rate approaches 50%!
What states are charging 20% tax rates? Their citizens should pay more attention to local lawmakers. 30% is high but when you consider that prices should fall by about 10% or more and that paychecks should go up by 20% or so it is a wash.
The FT fails to address the real problem (spending) and, as such, is tantamount to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
The FT makes no pretense about reducing the cost of gov't other than to make it more visible to the average taxpayer and make him angry every time he buys something.
Free Republic is just too slow today. I may take a pass until tomorrow.
Filo said
“I’ve already listed the flaws too many times to count. The only replies have been garbled nonsense.
In summary:
1. The FT is not tied to the repeal of the 16th which keeps the door open for sales and income tax in a few short years.
2. The FT re-taxes previously taxed savings - especially retirement savings.
3. Because of the above the FT is especially burdensome on those near or in retirement.
4. The FT has a socialist wealth-redistribution component - the prebate.
5. At 30% the FT rate is too high, especially when it only covers the federal portion of taxation. Add in the state and local taxes and the rate approaches 50%!
6. The FT fails to address the real problem (spending) and, as such, is tantamount to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.”
1. The FT is not tied to the repeal of the 16th which keeps the door open for sales and income tax in a few short years.
wrong - It is now.
2. The FT re-taxes previously taxed savings - especially retirement savings.
So does the current system, because of embedded taxes.
3. Because of the above the FT is especially burdensome on those near or in retirement.
So is the current system, because of embedded taxes.
4. The FT has a socialist wealth-redistribution component - the prebate.
So does the current system, because of Earned income credits, and other tax credits.
Part of the appeal of the Fair Tax is the simplicity. The rebate, same as the standard deduction in the current system, says “OK, everybody gets a break, up to this amount.”
5. At 30% the FT rate is too high, especially when it only covers the federal portion of taxation. Add in the state and local taxes and the rate approaches 50%!
23% inclusive, 30% exclusive, is six of one, half dozen of the other. Most everybody on this website has enough BASIC math and BASIC common sense to understand that it is just different ways of labeling the same numbers. I guess there are still some intellectually challenged who see that as an issue.
Do you think the IRS cares now how much you pay in the state and local taxes?
6. The FT fails to address the real problem (spending) and, as such, is tantamount to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
Totally different issues.
Why don’t you start on a thread about “How the Government spends money” instead of “How the Government collects money”
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