Scurrilous lies about McCain debunked

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[Vigilanteman]

Exactly. Nobody should dispute that John McCain was a genuine war hero and even a fine congressman and senator for the first part of his career. He was a worthy sucessor to Barry Goldwater.

Something changed about the time of the Keating 5 and when he got more interested in normalizing relations with Viet Nam than in accounting for his fellow POWs. This coincided very closely with his craving for media acclaim.

[Tarpon]

# McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Reform attack on the 1st amendment

# McCain-Kennedy Amnest bill attack on our national soveriegnty

# McCain-Lieberman GLobal Warming Sham and attack on our American life-style and economy

# Giving terrorists and enemy combatants US legal rights.

# Voting against Bush's tax cuts and using liberal, class-warfare language to do so.

More than enough to work for me. Liberal through and through. I never had much respect for "it's his turn Dole. Nothing personal, but he ran a pathetic campaign.

[Jeff Head]

Who knows what all went on. It seems particularly in the Senate, that a long term there tends to errode far too many conservatives. I do not know if they get bought off...black mailed...if they just rub soldiers with the other side so much they forget that those people have positions diametrically opposed to the interests of this nation...or what. Hatch went a similar route IMHO.

Anyhow, I will bump you to a thread I posted today about my own difficult decision on who to support in this election for President.

[AuH2ORepublican]

“Recently, I have seen several allegations that condemn Senator John McCain for his behavior as a prisoner of war. I believe that these allegations are false.”

“Check out the difference between “I believe” and “I know.””

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Please read the article before claiming that Jim Warner knows not of what he speaks. This is someone with very specific information regarding McCain’s years as a POW, and it is Warner’s humility that leads him to say “I believe” instead of “I know.”

If you don’t like McCain, feel free to attack his issue positions, fitness for office or even his character, but you’re making a fool of yourself if you attack his patriotism or loyalty during his years in Vietnamese POW camps.

[Swiss]

**Everyone, when interrogated under torture, lied to the interrogators.**

What is wrong with that statement. “Everyone?”, it was reported that islamic terrorists broke the captured CIA head of Beriut within days by torture back in the 1980’s. There is plenty of accounts of people talking when the Nazis tortured them. Torture does work, that is why it has been around thousands of years.

[MrsEmmaPeel]

In the end, he showed poor judgement

You are excusing and minimizing his involvement - relegating him to hero status. As a society, we have lost our shame. McCain belongs in the gutter heap of history.

[JustaDumbBlonde]

Don’t really care if he collaborated with the communists many moons ago ... because it is without a doubt that he collaborates with the communist sympathizers in the democrat party currently. He will never receive a vote from me ... NEVER. And, he doesn’t seem to mind a bit.

[oldenuff2no]

I am not a McCain supporter. I am a disabled combat vet and I will stand and pay honorable tribute to each and every one of the POW’s!!! That includes McCain.
The traitor who wrote these lies should be held accountable for his lies. I’m not sure how we legally do that in our society but it should be done,

[RedMonqey]

I wish I were half the man John McCain is.

I wish I was half the man John McCain thinks he is

[RedMonqey]

I wish I were half the man John McCain is.

I wish I was half the man John McCain thinks he is/sarc.

[hinckley buzzard]

I think it's safe to say he's a hero.

I think it's safe to say he's a survivor. He did what he had to do like most anyone would. Heroism goes to another level.

[Teacher317]

It almost makes me want to vote for him. I think it's safe to say he's a hero.

So was Bob Dole... that didn't make him a good candidate for Persident.

[Pining_4_TX]

Thanks. I’ve been looking for these links. Not that I needed this info to know I would never vote for McCain, but it’s good to have.

[aruanan]

If you don’t like McCain, feel free to attack his issue positions, fitness for office or even his character, but you’re making a fool of yourself if you attack his patriotism or loyalty during his years in Vietnamese POW camps.

Yes, one is a fool to attack patriotism or loyalty of long ago years for the same reason that one is a fool to draw attention to scurrilous acts of long ago to discredit someone in the present. He may have sincerely repented of his debauchery long since. However, in McCain's case, appealing to both the former loyalty and patriotism is meaningless because, since then, he has, by his actions as a senator right up to the present, completely repudiated them.

It's sort of like that passage from Ezekiel 3:

"Again, when a righteous man turns from his righteousness and does evil, and I put a stumbling block before him, he will die.

The righteous things he did will not be remembered....

[TBall]

Highlight an untruth to dismiss numerous truths? No doubt it will be done.

[TigersEye]

You’re welcome.

[Main Street]

When pressed to answer a question about illegal immigrants in his home state, Sen. McCain refuses to answer, while his supporters tell a woman who wants him to answer the question to shut up and she is thrown out of the town hall meeting. See the video here:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1073039/dont_ask_mccain/

McCain’s voting record:

Voted YES on establishing a Guest Worker program. (May 2006)

Voted YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security. (May 2006)

Voted YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship. (May 2006)

Voted YES on allowing more foreign workers into the US for farm work. (Jul 1998)

Supports federal funding of embryonic stem cell research. (May 2007)

Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)

Voted NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)

Voted NO on ending special funding for minority & women-owned business. (Oct 1997)

1st Amendment - Freedom of Speech not a shield for hate groups. (Aug 1999)

NAFTA has had unambiguously positive impact on US. (Mar 1999)

Pro-NAFTA, pro-GATT, pro-MFN, pro-Fast Track. (Jul 1998)

Voted YES on implementing CAFTA for Central America free-trade. (Jul 2005)

Rated 100% by CATO, indicating a pro-free trade voting record. (Dec 2002)

Supports ban on certain assault weapons. (Aug 1999)

Guns are a problem, but so are violent web sites & videos. (Aug 1999)

Punish criminals who abuse 2nd Amendment rights. (May 1999)

Voted YES on more penalties for gun & drug violations. (May 1999)

Voted YES on reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act. (Mar 2006)

Voted YES on extending the PATRIOT Act’s wiretap provision. (Dec 2005)

[R. Scott]

By all reports, including from a man who was held there in Hanoi with him, McCain was offered an early release...

And if he had taken the early release he would have been liable for courts martial. It would have been a violation of both the Code of Conduct and the UCMJ.
I'm starting to tire of people proclaiming him a hero for doing what he was required to do.

[R. Scott]

McCain did what he was required to do, nothing more.

Code of Conduct
1. I am an American, fighting in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.
2. I will never surrender of my own free will. If in command, I will never surrender the members of my command while they still have the means to resist.
3. If I am captured I will continue to resist by all means available. I will make every effort to escape and to aid others to escape. I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy.
4. If I become a prisoner of war, I will keep faith with my fellow prisoners. I will give no information or take part in any action which might be harmful to my comrades. If I am senior, I will take command. If not, I will obey the lawful orders of those appointed over me and will back them up in every way.
5. When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war, I am required to give name, rank, service number, and date of birth. I will evade answering further questions to the utmost of my ability. I will make no oral or written statements disloyal to my country and its allies or harmful to their cause.
6. I will never forget that I am an American, fighting for freedom, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my country free. I will trust in my God and in the United States of America.

[Vermont Lt]

You are completely missing my point.

I was making more of a comment on people that make statements that are not supported by an explanation. I am not relegating him to any status—simply that his involvement was NOT a serious enough matter to even get his hand slapped—not getting tossed into jail.

I am not suggesting that anyone vote for McCain. I haven’t decided to vote for him yet either (I better get on that....) I AM suggesting that people not make knee jerk statements without being able to support them with facts.