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Democrats’ Long Battle May Benefit Republicans
New York Times ^ | February 4, 2008 | JOHN HARWOOD

Posted on 02/04/2008 10:48:52 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper

The good news for the 2008 presidential candidates is that only hours remain in their torturous march across the Super Tuesday battlefield.

The bad news: A new trek begins the next morning.

For the Democrats, Senators Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton, it will be longer — perhaps excruciatingly so. For Republicans, the end may be closer.

Which raises the possibility that 2008 could produce another jack-in-the-box surprise: The party with advantages in polls and popular enthusiasm, and two path-breaking candidates, could yet march into trouble. And the party with the beleaguered White House incumbent and comparatively weak presidential field could grow stronger for the fall campaign.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: primary2008; supertuesday
Hand wringing on the Left.
1 posted on 02/04/2008 10:48:54 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Not if John McCain is the GOP’s nominee.

John McCain as the GOP nominee will cost Republicans 70 seats in the House, and 12 in the Senate.

McCain only appeals to people who hate Republicans.
That is who he will bring out, while many conservatives stay home.
Liberals will be out in record numbers to vote.

Liberals will vote for Democrats.
Moderates will vote for John McCain and... Democrats.
Conservatives will stay home.

Liberals + anti-GOP moderates - conservatives = MASSIVE GOP LOSSES IN CONGRESS

McCain is going to turn the Democrat Wave into the Democrat Tsunami in November.


2 posted on 02/04/2008 10:50:13 AM PST by counterpunch (McCain/Kennedy '08)
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To: counterpunch

McCain may not even have the money to keep campaigning. Anyone knows how close he is to topping those matching funds? Can he opt out of the matching funds he signed up for?

Would anyone know?


3 posted on 02/04/2008 10:53:28 AM PST by psjones (u)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Well, America will finally understand the Socialism is a bigger threat than Al-Qaeda.


4 posted on 02/04/2008 10:53:57 AM PST by BGHater ("Ron Paul won every debate!" Rudy Giuliani)
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To: counterpunch

“Not if John McCain is the GOP’s nominee.”

McCain is an angrier, more arrogant, more liberal version of Bob Dole.

McCain’s platform is the same as Dole’s was:

“Vote for me, it’s my turn damn it.”


5 posted on 02/04/2008 10:54:31 AM PST by brownsfan (America has "jumped the shark")
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To: counterpunch

McCain is not my choice, but any idiot who stays home or pulls the lever for a Dem deserves what they get. The problem is, we all pay for it.

I’m beginning to dislike a lot of GOP voters who cost us the house and senate last year and are threatening the loss of the POTUS because of their childish complaining. If McCain is the choice, they ought to show up, otherwise they might as well go vote for a socialist.


6 posted on 02/04/2008 10:55:54 AM PST by ChinaThreat (s)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

The article is correct for the most part. Too bad it appears the Republicans won’t be fielding a candidate.


7 posted on 02/04/2008 10:58:10 AM PST by coramdeo
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To: ChinaThreat

But you know that no matter what, anti-GOP “moderates” that show up for McCain will outnumber the pro-GOP conservatives.
That’s going to cost Republicans dearly in congressional races.


8 posted on 02/04/2008 10:58:34 AM PST by counterpunch (McCain/Kennedy '08)
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To: BGHater

“Well, America will finally understand the Socialism is a bigger threat than Al-Qaeda.”

Not right away. I think socialism is much like drug use.

Both drugs and socialism appeal to those who lack motivation, those who have damaged reasoning, and those who are ill informed.

Both drugs and socialism are great at first. They feel good, they make you want more.

Both drugs and socialism get the participants addicted.

In the end, both drugs and socialism make those involved feel regret, and a desire to stop, without the will to make it happen. Eventually leading to a premature death.


9 posted on 02/04/2008 10:58:53 AM PST by brownsfan (America has "jumped the shark")
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To: ChinaThreat
go vote for a socialist

It's what your fellow "Americans" want. Cradle to grave euro style socialism. Might as well have the fight now. Won't be much of a fight.

10 posted on 02/04/2008 11:00:18 AM PST by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Stories like this simply fuel the fairy tale that Obama is a serious candidate. How are they going to explain his electoral demise to his more strident supporters, when they start acting up? Hillary is the nominee. And, barring a divine influx of intelligence among Republican voters; she will be president.
11 posted on 02/04/2008 11:02:00 AM PST by isrul
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To: brownsfan
Gov’t schools and teacher unions destroy Generations of people while a AQ bomb may destroy a few thousand.

In the end people will choose security in the form of socialism over individual liberty and responsibility and the risk they contain.

9/11 was the end of small Gov’t.

12 posted on 02/04/2008 11:04:28 AM PST by BGHater ("Ron Paul won every debate!" Rudy Giuliani)
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To: counterpunch
I have long thought that Mitt was the best compromise candidate for us, even when most of us Freepers were debating about Hunter vs. Thompson. But we have to face the distinct possibility that Romney's failed low-key strategy to get free media and buzz by winning Iowa and NH failed--miserably--just as Rudy's game plan failed.

McCain has enormous name recognition advantages over Romney which all of Mitt's money can't undo, especially without a major high-profile win so far. On the upside, the Republican candidates have not done each other near the damage that the Dims are doing.

Mitt may be just too much of an unknown quantity. McCain has a huge pool of allies in the political power-base. I've got a new, optimistic scenario that I'm working out. Romney does respectibly tomorrow, but the McCain name advantage shows Mitt the handwriting on the wall. We stop the heavy fighting and McCain coasts to the nomination. Meanwhile, Obama shows surprisingly strong throughout the entire primary season and either narrowly wins or just loses the nomination because of the backroom politics of the Clinton's.

McCain heeds the urging of the Party to pick Romney as his running mate and they ride to an easy victory in 2008. McCain, because of age, does not stand for re-election in 2012 and Mitt takes the reins for easy victories in 2012 and 2016.

Even if the hatred of McCain precludes him from this sensible strategy, I still think that he beats Hillary fairly easily. She is not that different than McCain in most policy issues and he is a much better wartime President and CIC. Once in power, McCain won't be able to implement any policies without his Republican cohorts in Congress. I know that many feel that he will simply make policy with the Democrats, but I think that, as polarized as Congress is, he will have to make peace with the Republicans in Congress and will be muzzled in by them. He may be the safest choice for the next four years and is definitely better than Hillary or Obama, especially with a Democratic majority in Congress.

Odds are that the American people will prefer a strong military supporter in '08 and will also prefer a divided power structure in DC to rein in the radical-liberals among the Democrats in Congress.

13 posted on 02/04/2008 11:13:14 AM PST by DJtex
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To: isrul
barring a divine influx of intelligence among Republican voters; she will be president.

The fault lies not with the Republican voters, but with our party, which has failed to produce any truly worthy candidates. When the Dems win it will not be the voters' fault, but the Party's.

Let's hope the leadership responds if reality gives them the cold, hard slap in the face that seems to be coming.
14 posted on 02/04/2008 11:20:20 AM PST by BMIC
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To: counterpunch

Your “cut and paste” reply on EVERY thread is getting tiresome.


15 posted on 02/04/2008 11:44:57 AM PST by Anti-Hillary (NOT THE TIME IN HISTORY TO TEACH THE PARTY A LESSON. A RINO beats a Communist any day of the week!)
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To: Anti-Hillary

You’d prefer it not be known what McCain will do to Republicans down ballot, huh?


16 posted on 02/04/2008 11:46:46 AM PST by counterpunch (McCain/Kennedy '08)
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To: Anti-Hillary

John McCain means Republicans not even having the numbers to mount a filibuster.
So we’ll have President Hillary and a Democrat Super Majority in the Senate and a solid liberal majority in the House.

We are so screwed if McCain is the nominee.
America as we know it will come to an end.
McCain as the GOP nominee will bring American retreat from Iraq and Afghanistan, and everywhere else in the world.
It will mean Iran becoming a nuclear power.
It will mean the economy strangled by high taxes, and our borders overrun by illegals.
It will mean socialized medicine and a full court press against private enterprise, and free speech, both on the radio and the internet.

McCain will bring all of this, because he will bring out pro-Democrat moderates while many conservatives stay home without a candidate on the ballot.


17 posted on 02/04/2008 11:53:14 AM PST by counterpunch (McCain/Kennedy '08)
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To: ChinaThreat
I don’t like McCain either on many fronts, but let’s get real here.

Take EVERY issue. I mean EVERY issue, and write them down and see where each candidates LIFETIME voting stance puts them. The “McCain and Clinton/Obama” are the “same” crowd are NUTS! There is huge discrepancy between McCain and the others on many things. I just don’t get it? Those that are willing to hand the WH to Clinton or Obama (who IMO is scarier than she is) with a possible majority in the house and senate are giving the green light to socialism.

One thing that so many see as a major negative for John McCain is something I see as a plus for him in the WOT. He is not concerned what others think about him. I don’t think he would ever bow to the UN and bow to Ahmadinejad.

Wake up America. See my tagline!!!!!

18 posted on 02/04/2008 11:59:45 AM PST by Anti-Hillary (NOT THE TIME IN HISTORY TO TEACH THE PARTY A LESSON. A RINO beats a Communist any day of the week!)
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To: BMIC

Where are the worthy candidates? I see few currently at any level and none in the distant horizon.


19 posted on 02/04/2008 12:03:55 PM PST by isrul
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To: DJtex

Good analysis — that’s probably the best scenario we can hope for.


20 posted on 02/04/2008 1:40:42 PM PST by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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