[null and void]

You've convinced me. Surrender is our only option.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

[JasonC]

If you see in facing our real situation a counsel of surrender, then you are a defeatist to the bottom of your boots. You appear to only believe in the cause if you think it sure to win. That isn't even fighting. I support conservatism knowing full well it will lose, and lose often. I do so because I know my country needs it, and I trust my country to come back to it in good time. Even if it never does, it would be a duty to offer it, because it is right. But it is equally a duty to face our situation realistically, and to sugar coat nothing.

[Barnacle]

Great quote. It’s that kind of American spirit that we must be reminded of now.