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To: nicmarlo

The fact remains that about a million babies were killed on Ronald Reagan’s watch and by his own pen. Why do you deny this? We all loved Ronald Reagan. We forgave him. That’s not even up for discussion.

What I’m saying is that the same spirit of forgiveness that was given to Ronald Reagan should be available for Mitt Romney. That’s all. Is that controversial?

Mitt Romney is a fine good family man. He said he was wrong. God is the judge, not you.


516 posted on 02/01/2008 8:45:03 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (Romney Rocks!!!)
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To: Saundra Duffy
Because, Romney is in favor of abortion on demand. In Reagan's words, he stated the following:

my position is that interrupting a pregnancy means the taking of a human life. In our Judeo-Christian tradition, that can only be done in self-defense. Therefore, I will agree to an abortion only to protect the life of the prospective mother.

That is categorically different than being in favor of abortion on demand or pro-choice, as Romney has been, up until this latest flip-flop (again). There is nothing for which to forgive Ronald Reagan except that he was not "prescient" enough to realize that loopholes could be had through snake lawyers. But I see the distinction in intent and purpose here; apparently, those who idolize Romney do not.

517 posted on 02/01/2008 8:51:42 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Saundra Duffy
The fact remains that about a million babies were killed on Ronald Reagan’s watch and by his own pen. Why do you deny this? We all loved Ronald Reagan. We forgave him. That’s not even up for discussion.

Sorry, attacks like that are up for discussion. You posting today that "Mitt Romney is an evil monster from hell" isn't a fact either, and in fact was never said. Except by you.

You're bashing of Reagan to push Romney, and push him as Reganesque is just bizarre.

Reagan's past positions on abortion are nothing like Mitt's.

Of course, you are just saying things similar to what Romney has said:

"...civilized society must respect the sanctity of life. And you know what? I'm following in some pretty good footsteps.

"It's exactly what Ronald Reagan did As governor, he was adamantly pro-choice"

Reagan was never adamantly pro-choice. If you really believe what Romney said, show some facts.

Here's some:

In his heart, Reagan agreed with Cardinal McIntyre, not Dr. Davis, and he really wanted to veto the Therapeutic Abortion Act. Instead, he subordinated his personal feelings to the commitment he had made to Republican legislators to sign the bill. He wasn't happy about it. "Those were awful weeks," Reagan told me a year later. He added that he would never have signed the bill if he had been more experienced as governor, the only time as governor or President that Reagan acknowledged a mistake on major legislation.

He had no idea of the horrors which the bill, though far from pro-choice, would unleash on the unborn. (The "horrors" bit is mine, the reportage is Cannon's.)

Cannon does have Reagan adamant about one thing, though Cannon uses a form of the synonym "unwavering":

"You can't allow an abortion on grounds the child won't be born perfect," Reagan said. "Where do you stop? What is the degree of deformity [required] that a person shouldn't be born? Crippled persons have contributed greatly to our society." He never wavered in this view.

Reagan never wavered. Romney promised he would always be pro-choice and would never waver on that.

Well I am glad he did, but it makes it hard to trust someone that says they will NEVER waver and then change their mind.

That was Ronald Reagan when the Therapeutic Abortion Act became law. That was the Ronald Reagan whom Mitt Romney cavalierly calls "adamantly pro-choice." He was not the prescient and decisive crusader for life for which our romantic imaginings might long, but he was with certainty not pro-choice.

Now Romney on pro-choice:

I never called myself pro-choice. I never allowed myself to use the word pro-choice because I didn't feel I was pro-choice. I would protect the law, I said, as it was, but I wasn't pro-choice. (Edit: Romney later said that in the past he was pro-choice but isn't now.)

Yet he had just moments earlier declared that "[a]s governor, he [Reagan] was adamantly pro-choice."

We've established that Governor Reagan was anything but pro-choice.

This is all from a book by an author that covered what Reagan did for 36 years.

Yes Reagan made a mistake with this. I can't be forgotten though if you keep demonizing him for it.

If you would like more information and a link, just ask.

If you dispute any of the facts presented about Romney, just ask. I will find the proof. From his own words.

BTW, I do not hate Romney. Being as you repeatedly accuse me of that I want to make it clear.

Thanks for making it "up for discussion" by your trying to squelch the facts.

522 posted on 02/02/2008 7:21:00 PM PST by Syncro
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