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To: Jack Black; monday
I'll tell you honestly. I don't want to fight the whole 1.5 billion Muslims. There is no Machiavelli , Sun Tzu or Paton who would prefer to do that. I think that its easier for us to fight "only" 200 millions of Jihadists. They successfully subvert the West's left to do their bidding. Why should not we pull all that Muslims who don't ACT jihadi to our side?

Note that I am not disagreeing that Jihad is born out of Islam. What I don't want to do is to know what they think their theology tells them, only how they act. There are hundreds upon hundreds of millions of Muslims who don't act jihad in their daily lives. If some muslims call them bad muslims for that - its their internal struggle. Look what happened in Iraq. Sunni turned away from Al Quada and call them "bad" muslims now. Did you read any of Michael Yon and Michael Totten reports from there?

That's the point. If you want to announce that 1.5 billion people are your enemies no matter what, what are you going to do? Nuke the hell out of them? If that is your solution, I am not with you. It won't be good for our sole neither. If we will be pushed into it - its totally different matter, but not by our choice. As Iraq and Afghanistan show, we can have muslim allies fighting radicals along side with us. Look at India - outside of some hot spots, the Muslims there enjoy relative democracy and peace.

My recipe is to fight smartly, confront them here and there as a confident "strong horse", with lots of self-respect and more of the type of work our guys in Iraq and Afghanistan doing, more Petraeus, Machiavelli and Sun Tzu and less of "nuke'm all, god will sort 'em out" - there is a difference between our Judeo/Christian philosophy and theirs after all, isn't it?

19 posted on 01/31/2008 10:17:01 AM PST by Tolik
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To: Tolik

I don’t want to fight 200 million! I think the problem with the Jihadi is the enemy position is that it means only some Moslems are incompatible with the West, and we can’t tell who they are, so we let them into our midst.

Then we have to sacrafice our rights to deal with the threats we have created by letting them in.

The alternative is exclusion and seperation. To seperate we need to get it through our thick heads that the problem is ISLAM not Jihadism. We should, therefore, feel fine about just excluding them from the USA. (Poor Europe! Not sure how they fix their mess.)

Seperation means no honor killings, female mutilation, halal butchery in the kitchen and all the other charming habits and customs of their religion. No burkas as the mall! No ‘women only swim periods’. No hand basins made un-usable due to non-stop foot washing. No more “meditation rooms” coverted to Mosques. No more calls to prayer disturbing our sleep. No fifth column slowly building strength inside our nation.

I think we can avoid a war altogether. We avoided (excepting a few proxies) war with the Soviets in part because we clearly saw them, all of them, as the threat they were. We didn’t give out thousands of student visas to Russians, or invite Cubans to attend our law schools, or allow untrammeled immigration from North Korea.

Islam is a lot like Communism. Its a horrible, misguided ideology that is absolutely at odds with Western Civilization. We have every right, in fact a duty, to clarify this and to exclude those who believe in it.

We can not, and probably should not, prevent the Islamic world from making their civilization into whatever weird 6th century parody they want. Stalin’s crimes against the Russian people in the name of his twisted ideology were far, far worse then even Saddams torture and wars against his subjects. But, we understood: Russia is not us. They are going to screw up their country, but that’s not our problem.


21 posted on 01/31/2008 10:30:12 AM PST by Jack Black
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To: Tolik

“What I don’t want to do is to know what they think their theology tells them, only how they act.”

OK, but denying it won’t make Islam a good and tolerant religion, no matter how much you wish it would. Islam is an evil ideology just like communism or fascism. There is no such thing as a “good” Muslim, just as there is no such thing as a “good” communist or fascist. They don’t exist.

I am not suggesting that we should fight all 1.5 billion Muslims. I agree that we should only fight those who threaten us, but to ignore that Islam is the basis for that threat, is to ignore reality. Islam will remain a threat to civilization as long as it exists.


27 posted on 01/31/2008 10:41:59 AM PST by monday
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