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To: SmithL
>but also, when you add the McCain vote (36 percent) to the now-withdrawn Rudy Giuliani vote (15 percent), you see a shift: A majority of Republican voters are straying outside the ever-pure conservative base

There it is in a simple nutshell.
The RNC and the GOP K street boys have wanted to marginalize the conservatives for some time now so that they can get on with the agenda.

I’m certain that they thought that they were a bit farther along the last year or so, what with all of the creeping big spending, entitlement bills being passed and signed, and so they went for the home run - McCain/Kennedy amnesty and the permanent changing of America into a multi cultural part of a Global entity that needs to allow the free flow of inexpensive labor and manufacturing wherever it is best utilized.

Now this does indeed lower most to the lowest common denominator, but that is of little concern to any of the people who believe that nationalism is secondary to the realignment of order being crammed down our throats.

And it is.
Why, McCain was furious when a college proposed a bill to make English the national language.

Rove had stated regarding the immigration bills that, “Conservatives will follow” and he was correct, but premature.

This election will be proof to the GOP elite that they no longer need to factor in the conservatives, especially if they can get some of the new hispanic voters with more socialist give aways that are certain to follow.

We have been marginalized if McCain is nominated, and we had best deal with that reality.
I will not vote for McCain over anyone at all.
I am seeing the indications of a 57 seat Senate and a stronger democrat seating in the house and that is enough to pass just about anything that hillary wants.

Should the democrats be obtuse enough to nominate Obama - which I do not predict - then the paradigm is changed, because, unlike so many starry eyed forecasters, I believe that Obama can be handily beaten in the general, due to a number of intrinsic factors.

IMO, the GOP learned absolutely nothing from 06, seeing it as more or less a setback or speed bump to their plans, but nothing that has caused them to change plans.

So one group or the other is wrong. - Either the GOP McCain/Kennedy types can be ascendant in this country without us, or they cannot.

They can be, and will be, but only if we let them.

In fact, McCain would not rule out signing an amnesty bill, resorting to mumbling nonsense at the pointed question.

It is up to us to understand this dynamic being played out and to plan for it rather than deny that this clear trend, does in fact, exist.

9 posted on 01/31/2008 8:44:18 AM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: bill1952

You nailed it.

This is why this election cycle has been so frustrating. The battle is not between Republicans and Democrats. It is within our own party.

The Moderates and Liberals are both working to marginalize Conservatives.


11 posted on 01/31/2008 8:47:28 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (The Mainstream Media Controls Our Party. Go, RINOS!)
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To: bill1952
We have been marginalized if McCain is nominated, and we had best deal with that reality.

I will not vote for McCain over anyone at all.

Agreed. McCain's nomination would tell me that cynicism, political oppurtunism and self-aggrandizement were now the standard operating procedures of the party of Ronald Reagan. It would tell me that continuing to support the GOP is ultimately a waste of time, and if both parties were now in the business of buying votes, wouldn't I be (at least in the short run) better supporting the democrats who'd buy my vote at a higher price???

This is what a McCain nomination will signal to me.

12 posted on 01/31/2008 9:03:17 AM PST by E. Cartman (Huckabubba will never be president.)
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To: bill1952

Great post.


15 posted on 01/31/2008 10:48:33 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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