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To: CharlesWayneCT
What you don't understand, what some Mitt supporters don't understand is that RINO liberal talk like yours is what has doomed this party. Pro life people will not vote for a pro choice person. It ain't going to happen.

You can whine and cry about it all you want. You can wish things were different, but they aren't. As far as what the world thinks of us -- we don't care. We don't live for the world, we live for Our Lord and it is His World. He made it and He made us.

"Especially when those same people are also up in arms about the plan-b pill, which at worst is only SOMETIMES an abortion pill, and which is used primarily in cases of rape, where most of our pro-life elected officials still SUPPORT abortion, which mostly gets doctors out of the procedure, which is not seen as an abortion pill by most people which means it does not contribute to the coursening of our culture like medical procedure abortions do,"

Are the babies being killed by this plan-b bill? Yes? Then yes, our culture is being made course by the those who think these precious babes, created in God's image, are worthless. I don't believe, I've ever seen such ignorant crap on this conservative forum.

So now you've outed yourself as pro-abortion. You've already outed yourself as pro-gay. Why are you here? Have you read the front page of this site where it states what kind of forum this is? If all Romney supporters are like you, I can guarantee he won't be many evangelical votes and you are not helping his case whatsoever.

3,324 posted on 01/29/2008 9:37:44 PM PST by Waryone
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To: Waryone

I’ve tried to explain how there is a large segment of voters that normally vote Republican that will never get behind Romney. When they learn more about McCain, the ones misled now will fall away from him also. They will not hold their nose and vote for someone that is pro-death, indistinguishable from pro-death, or worked to appoint pro-death judges... or ganged up to defeat Bush’s judges for that matter. All I hear is how I hate a candidate. It is not hate. It is too recent a conversion on his part and continuing to support the “other side” after he claimed to convert.


3,331 posted on 01/29/2008 9:43:46 PM PST by Ingtar (Thompson - delegates, Huckabee - brokered, Keyes - Only C left. Which one on 2/5?)
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To: Waryone
So now you've outed yourself as pro-abortion. You've already outed yourself as pro-gay. Why are you here? Have you read the front page of this site where it states what kind of forum this is? If all Romney supporters are like you, I can guarantee he won't be many evangelical votes and you are not helping his case whatsoever.

This is the kind of crap that makes conservatives look like blithering idiots.

You want to start calling people with 30+ years in the pro-life movement "pro-abortion" because they understand the realities of the situation, and what it will take to end the slaughter? Go ahead, but you only make yourself a fool.

Mitt Romney is not pro-choice. But you know that Rudy IS pro-choice, and there were pro-life people ENDORSING him, so your wild claim about what "pro-life" people will do is without foundation.

Mitt Romney is a latecomer to the pro-life movement, but he is pro-life. You could say you don't TRUST him, but it is simply false to label him as not pro-life at this point.

Those of us who have fought abortion since we were kids know that we need at least one, and maybe two, more judges before we can do ANYTHING to stop the slaughter.

Ignorant pro-lifers who seem to think this is some game or some political purity test could well have cost us the judges we needed.

The only reason that doesn't make me despair is that God is in control, even of the idiots who cut off their noses to spite their faces.

As to your other ignorant comments about gays, the conservative movement is not about being anti-gay. It is about not giving gays or other "lifestyle minorities" special treatment, or damaging the basic foundations of society.

Government has never been about enforcing moral codes. Further, I'll believe that the anti-gay advocates here are truly just worried about our moral teachings when I see them push to kick adulterers and fornicators and those who visit prostitutes out of the military, and ban people who cheat on their wives or live with a woman outside of marriage from participating in the boy scouts.

Until then, the idea that I should cow-tow to people who are "afraid" that some guy is looking at them in a shower is absurd. I am quite comfortable with both my own sexuality, my own security, and my own relationship with the creator to not worry about what some pervert is doing.

Apparently, the common-sense command to "hate the sin, love the sinner" has been lost on a few vocal people in our conservative movement.

Meanwhile, Huckabee, our most "anti-gay" candidate, still sees fit to have relationship with some gay people, even having one on his campaign.

I never supported Romney because he was the most conservative, or even because I trusted him completely on anything. It was a simple practical decision -- Romney ADOPTED my point of view on a host of issues, and was electable, or at least looked electable.

Frankly, if Romney can't get 50% of republicans, he's not as electable as I had hoped. He's more electable than Fred THompson, but I had hoped Fred would be electable and he turned out not to be.

So the purists who now speak of purging and absolutism never offered us any other choice. The darling of conservatives, Duncan Hunter, says that Huckabee is the man we should support. The other darling of conservatives, Tancredo, says Romney. Thompson hasn't said, but he would probably be voting for McCain, and Giuliani certainly is.

So I'm tired of purists who had no viable candidate, who can't get anybody who is acceptable to them to run and get votes, telling the rest of us that "conservatives" wont' accept this or that. Romney was not beaten by "conservatives" who picked a more conservative person.

Romney was beaten in a race with McCain, Giuliani, and Huckabee.

And McCain got the most votes. Someone that nobody around here is calling a solid conservative. Someone who is RUNNING on a moderate platform.

So don't tell me what "conservatives" will accept. We have a republican party, and it's looking like Romney was TOO CONSERVATIVE for it.

3,392 posted on 01/29/2008 10:44:25 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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