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To: ilgipper
The war should be our best issue, yes.

But no, it is not obvious to the people that we have been so successful at it we should continue running it as we have been for four or eight more years.

Nor is it obvious to them, if we are succeeding in Iraq, that it isn't a reason to declare victory and get out.

And it isn't any DNC script saying so. Count the votes cast for Romney or candidates right of him, however you care to measure that.

Some conservatives want to live in a dreamworld in which McCain isn't conservative enough to be part of their party, and neither is the governor of CA, and neither is the former mayor of NY, and neither are a dozen senators with Rs after their name, and neither is a sitting two term president at 40% in the polls because he is more conservative than half the country.

But such sentiments only make political sense if conservatism is a 60% and upward majority philosophy. If you have well over half the people agreeing with you on everything, you can afford to dump a few as not true blue enough, to move the policy goalposts.

Conservatism in the US today is not in that position. I'd like it to be, but it isn't.

Long wars are not popular. $3 gas is not popular. Housing crashes are not popular. Market corrections, even, are not popular. You don't have to be a leftist to notice this. You have to be slightly nutty not to, or to think it won't matter.

What is helping us right now is the left is caving to moonbats who many people wouldn't trust as staffers for a city councilman. Without that overreaching on their side, we'd be sunk. It isn't clear we aren't sunk anyway.

The party and conservatism will endure and eventually come back because our policies are things the country needs. The Dems, in the end, have no solution to problems like Iran. But the road will not be straight. It is delusional to think it will have to be just because we wish it were.

2,457 posted on 01/29/2008 6:41:22 PM PST by JasonC
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To: JasonC
The party and conservatism will endure and eventually come back because our policies are things the country needs.

Well Russia needed a representative government with a free market. Both at the end of WW-I and the end of the Cold War. It didn't get it either time.

There is such a thing as a tipping point, or point of no return. (Or a return after a LONG time). I don't think we are there yet. Ask again after 8 years of Hillary or B. Hussein, or even the loose cannon from Arizona. (At least with McCain, 8 years doesn't seem too likely, but 4 of him followed by 8 of B. Hussein or a political clone thereof is). Assuming those "8"'s don't end in a National Emergency and suspension of elections (and the Constitution, but parts of it are all but suspended anyway) Then we'll see.

2,550 posted on 01/29/2008 6:49:10 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: JasonC

Re: Post 2,457. A much needed reality check. FR, as much as we’d like it to be, is NOT reality.

I will vote GOP no matter who the nominee is because if the GOP wins the presidency, there will very likely be 1 or 2 Supreme Court Justices who will be replaced. Breyer and Ginsburg have been holding out for 8 years for a Democrat to elected in 2008. We can’t allow them to be replaced by a Dem appointment.


2,601 posted on 01/29/2008 6:54:18 PM PST by randita (Do not trust any polls!)
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